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  • #1587818
    Avatar photoGingertipster
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    There won’t be a ceasefire unless it suits Putin…

    ie If Putin wants time to bring up reinforcements to his weaker fronts then he will agree to a ceasefire.

    If thinking Ukrainians will use a ceasefire to reinforce their troops in areas under particular threat, Putin will not agree to a ceasefire,

    However, it’s evident things are not generally going well for Putin in this war… And the longer it goes on the less he’ll be able to pass it off as a “military operation”. Therefore I can see there is a possibility of a total agreement that could bring a total end to hostilities. Particularly as Zalensky seems open to no NATO forces / being “neutral”.

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    #1587823
    Avatar photoGhost of Rob V
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    My late, great Dad fought against the Russians in the Hungarian Uprising in 1956. He was a commanding officer with 400 soldiers under his hand. On one occasion, he watched a Russian tank deliberately target and run over a pregnant woman … the unborn baby burst out of her body. He’d seen many atrocities that resulted with him having nightmares in his sleep.

    He always maintained that Russia can’t be trusted … that they’re the kind who’d welcome you with one hand and stab you in the back with the other.

    Nothing has changed with Russia. Always trouble makers. I hope Putin rots in eternal Hell.

    If anyone finds this post uncomfortable, please accept my sincerest apologies. Moderators may act accordingly to remove it.

    #1587934
    Colin Phillips
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    I think, perhaps, you should have put your last sentence at the beginning of your post. It’s an image I’m going to have difficulty in forgetting.

    #1587946
    clivexx
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    But he’s “clever” ghost. So we were told..

    Paul Krugman: “Putin seems to be in the process of achieving something remarkable: reminding the world’s democracies what they stand for. He has already ruined Russia’s reputation as a military superpower; he’s now in the process of reducing whatever economic power it had, too.”

    https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1503780909815939081?s=21

    Perfectly put by the worlds leading economist

    #1587949
    clivexx
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    And for those who repeatedly sneer at support for the Ukrainians (uniquely of anywhere I’ve seen online). Suck this up

    A brilliant cartoon and extremely moving

    #1587956
    Avatar photoHe Didnt Like Ground
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    Putin is like the punch drunk heavyweight in the corner …. he,s going down but he,s dangerous until he,s on the canvas

    #1587960
    clivexx
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    Yes. He’s apparently given the go ahead for public executions too

    Careful what you wish for thicko putin

    Remember ceascescu ?

    Whether it should be a public beheading or firing squad is open to question but I’d have the firing squad with Farage Abbott and the orange retard being made to pull the triggers with guns to their heads

    Good ratings for that one

    #1587972
    Avatar photoDrone
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    I believe firing squads need five members so please add Galloway and the Fat Scottish Perv

    Putin was clever in the sense that his 25-year long-con on the West was played well, though the converse is probably more accurate: the West were a shamefully easy mark

    But ultimately, in the words of Rafael Behr in the Graun:

    Carried to power and marinated in myths about themselves, dictators always underestimate the strength of democracies

    #1587975
    clivexx
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    Good quote Drone. And yes add those two. With guns to their heads. They will be e sobbing like babies having shot their hero but relieved that they have escaped themselves the fate themselves.

    …until they get shot too

    The West simply wasnt united enough. i dont think he had to be particularly smart to play that game especially with the dreadful tail wagging by Germany.

    You should see his speech from yesterday. Totally unhinged. Bunker stuff

    #1587999
    clivexx
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    Also whats so clever about “playing the west”? Whats the point.

    Although we get the apologists lunatic suggestions that Russia “fears invasion” (why??? from who ffs??) there is absolutely no mileage in it. Simply demonstrates the fundamental weakness of their trashy system.

    To be fair he has suckered in little inadequate leaders (including orange retards) and extremists on both sides who fawn over a supposed hard man. Probably because they miss nannies beatings.

    Mind you you have to laugh at those who suggest we should “understand him”. Couple of hours of therapy followed by yoga should do it

    Of course we should have “understood” hitler and pol pot. Those dam Jews eh?

    And idi amin eating freshly roasted babies. Probably his special dietary requirement in fairness?

    ** is there any record of anyone attending a Idi Amin state dinner and raving about the casserole? “its good this!” Or “are you sure thats a suckling pig? ill have some anyway”

    #1588899
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    Zalensky calls for peace talks “without delay”. The problem is Putin won’t
    settle for less than the demands that have been turned down by the Ukraine
    before. He destroyed the warehouse in Kyiv, where “allegedly” they had been
    storing missiles and aviation ammunition of Ukrainian troops. It’s the first
    time Russia has admitted using hypersonic missiles which travel in the
    upper atmosphere at more than 5 times the speed of sound and have a range
    of over 2000 km. Apparantly, it has been claimed that they can overcome all
    existing air and missile defence systems.

    Apparantly Putin has agreed to meet Zalenski for the first time. Problem
    is that Putin wants to be seen as the “victor” and I don’t think he wants
    to negotiate, I think he wants his terms accepted in total or he will
    continue to flatten Ukraine, I’m not even sure he wants his terms accepted.
    Yesterday a Ukrainian MP described conditions in Mariupol as medieval. The
    Mayor said that 30% of all buildings have been destroyed and 50% damaged.

    People are out of food and water and yet the Russians have continued to fire
    at 9 story buildings where people are trapped inside and cannot escape. The
    west can do little and Zalenski has to decide how much more Ukraine can take
    and how many more lives are lost.

    Putin simply doesn’t care how much damage he inflicts or how many he kills.
    He’s dangerous and deranged, he wants to be seen as a conquering hero. It
    was sickening to see him giving his address in the stadium the other day.
    Zalenski has to think about his people, does he keep going as he said in
    earlier days, does he stand by his Churchilian speech and fight them to
    the end?, never give in, what would be left. How can you fight missiles
    fired from 2000 km away that cannot be detected?

    Former PM Gordon Brown and 140 academics lawyers and MP’s are calling for a
    Nurenberg-style trial for Putin. Just how they will get him out of Russia
    is another matter.

    This is a disaster and we have had no option but to sit back and watch it
    unfold, for fear of an even bigger disaster. I’m sick to my stomach.

    #1588911
    Avatar photoHe Didnt Like Ground
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    After that bollocks in the stadium yesterday I’m expecting a toothbrush mustache and a funny walk the next time we see Putin …..does he only have 1 ball , seriously the Russian people are now starting to feel the pinch , if both the troops and the people are not getting supplies/food then they are going to start rebelling , the Russians are the ones to put Putin in the dock ….we don’t want to make him a matter to some extremes of the Russian people

    #1589556
    clivexx
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    Heres an article that will make the Farage/orange-retard supporters as well as their soulmates in the Corbyn wing of labour despair. Also the defeatists who snottily and vocally believed that they knew what was best for the Ukrainians

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-experts-were-wrong-russia-hasnt-won-and-its-not-going-to-93fpgqzvk

    Its behind a paywall and before anyone screams MURDOCH! the article was originally published in that genuinely great magazine, the Atlantic, which is the voice of liberal America

    #1589585
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    I could only read the start of the report Clive, but I hope what I read was
    correct. It gives some hope that Zalenski can see this through. It would
    be the biggest victory since the war. It would be some victory if he could
    hold off an army many times greater than his own with only the help of some
    military hardware from the west.

    My only worry is what does Putin do if he thinks he’s beaten, and the world
    sees that. He’s shown his weaknessis which will hurt him. Will he launch
    more missile attacks if his ground forces are being held in “stalemate”
    as the report states, what options does he have ? I can’t see him accepting
    defeat easily.

    #1589589
    clivexx
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    Agree with that Bigg.

    The point also was motivation and the whole business of trying to capture a large state. Russian forces are clearly a shambles at all levels and holding a country of this size will take resources that they simply don’t have

    It’s the most stupid war in living memory.

    #1589594
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    I freely admit that one month on I’m surprised by the resistance the Ukrainians have been able to mount; perhaps because I was under the illusion that the Russian Army was a honed-to-the-hilt ultra-professional outfit that strikes fear in all, whereas it now appears that it’s largely comprised of ill-trained kept-in-the-dark unmotivated young conscripts ordered around by corrupt NCOs who, in turn, are obeying the orders of a corrupt and shambolic higher command

    #1589603
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    That’s the concern, Putin will get dirtier and there will be no holds barred until he puts himself into a winning position.

    Failure however, that’s where people have to be even more careful dealing with such an unknown.

    I just hope this isn’t a all or nothing, and nothing means nothing for everyone.

    I hope someone can get to him first!

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