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Willie was indeed delighted with Cousin Vinny’s run Carvills. He said when interviewed by Tracy Piggott on RTÉ afterwards that the most he’ll take out of the race was the way Cousin Vinny jumped and ran.
I thought it was a cracking run by Cousin Vinny. The betting told everyone that he’d need the run and Hurricane Fly was more forward. He was giving the winner 3lbs and if he’d have jumped the last a bit quicker, he’d have been even closer. Overall though his jumping was excellent and he underlined his potential today.
The winner is a very decent animal and it’ll be some race if he meets Pandorama over the next few months.
I don’t see how you can write-off Cousin Vinny on the strength of that race, Fists, given he probably just shades it at the weights.
That said, I’m very happy with the outcome. For a horse that has won over 2m5f in Auteuil’s mud, Hurricane Fly showed plenty of pace in the straight after they had crawled round, and he looks very versatile indeed. Donna’s Palm is no mug, and HF can surely go onto better things from here.
I doubt it very much
He looked fit as a fiddle and ran all the way to the line like a good horse. You can bet your life Mullins wanted that one BUT! the 1st and 2nd went past him way too easily for my liking and are obviously both much better animals.
He was beat in an instant and that wasn’t the ground which he seemed perfectly happy on he was simply outclassed…………I am shocked at 5/1 for the Supreme..that has me beat? I wouldn’t have 2 Argentian shitas on him at 20/1……..
I don’t see how you can write-off Cousin Vinny on the strength of that race, Fists, given he probably just shades it at the weights.
That said, I’m very happy with the outcome. For a horse that has won over 2m5f in Auteuil’s mud, Hurricane Fly showed plenty of pace in the straight after they had crawled round, and he looks very versatile indeed. Donna’s Palm is no mug, and HF can surely go onto better things from here.
I doubt it very much
He looked fit as a fiddle and ran all the way to the line like a good horse. You can bet your life Mullins wanted that one BUT! the 1st and 2nd went past him way too easily for my liking and are obviously both much better animals.
He was beat in an instant and that wasn’t the ground which he seemed perfectly happy on he was simply outclassed…………I am shocked at 5/1 for the Supreme..that has me beat? I wouldn’t have 2 Argentian shitas on him at 20/1……..
Cousin Vinny looked as fit as a flea?!? Not according to anyone who was at Fairyhouse today and saw him in the flesh (nor I would imagine most half decent judges looking at him on TV).
Mullins did want this one….and he got it with the best backed horse in the race while Cousin Vinny drifted out because a) his lack of experience and b) him needing the race.
Not seen the oncourse market but Hurricane Fly was put up by pricewise. That will have been responsible for any move on the early prices (well most of any move).
I don’t see how you can write-off Cousin Vinny on the strength of that race, Fists, given he probably just shades it at the weights.
That said, I’m very happy with the outcome. For a horse that has won over 2m5f in Auteuil’s mud, Hurricane Fly showed plenty of pace in the straight after they had crawled round, and he looks very versatile indeed. Donna’s Palm is no mug, and HF can surely go onto better things from here.
I doubt it very much
He looked fit as a fiddle and ran all the way to the line like a good horse. You can bet your life Mullins wanted that one BUT! the 1st and 2nd went past him way too easily for my liking and are obviously both much better animals.
He was beat in an instant and that wasn’t the ground which he seemed perfectly happy on he was simply outclassed…………I am shocked at 5/1 for the Supreme..that has me beat? I wouldn’t have 2 Argentian shitas on him at 20/1……..
Cousin Vinny looked as fit as a flea?!? Not according to anyone who was at Fairyhouse today and saw him in the flesh (nor I would imagine most half decent judges looking at him on TV).
Mullins did want this one….and he got it with the best backed horse in the race while Cousin Vinny drifted out because a) his lack of experience and b) him needing the race.
I think I said that but it was more than any lack of fitness……the bookies and the public hyped up Cousin Vinny IMO.
This would be wonder horse won at Cheltenham at 12/1 which I would have thought is a huge price for a mullins horse that is strongly fancied.
Next time he won again, but again he drifted badly. I’m sure oor wullie knew exactly what was what and doesn’t regard Cousin Vinny as highly as some others may..Too true he backed the winner he’s in a defferent class……… Now he says he was a happy with CV in one breath and the next he’s talking about stepping him up in trip? I hear alarm bells……….The impression he gave me hasn’t changed one bit, he lacks the toe to win top class hurdle races over 2 miles……..Supreme Hurdle? never in a month of Sundays
I don’t see how you can write-off Cousin Vinny on the strength of that race, Fists, given he probably just shades it at the weights.
That said, I’m very happy with the outcome. For a horse that has won over 2m5f in Auteuil’s mud, Hurricane Fly showed plenty of pace in the straight after they had crawled round, and he looks very versatile indeed. Donna’s Palm is no mug, and HF can surely go onto better things from here.
I doubt it very much
He looked fit as a fiddle and ran all the way to the line like a good horse. You can bet your life Mullins wanted that one BUT! the 1st and 2nd went past him way too easily for my liking and are obviously both much better animals.
He was beat in an instant and that wasn’t the ground which he seemed perfectly happy on he was simply outclassed…………I am shocked at 5/1 for the Supreme..that has me beat? I wouldn’t have 2 Argentian shitas on him at 20/1……..
Cousin Vinny looked as fit as a flea?!? Not according to anyone who was at Fairyhouse today and saw him in the flesh (nor I would imagine most half decent judges looking at him on TV).
Mullins did want this one….and he got it with the best backed horse in the race while Cousin Vinny drifted out because a) his lack of experience and b) him needing the race.
I think I said that but it was more than any lack of fitness……the bookies and the public hyped up Cousin Vinny IMO.
This would be wonder horse won at Cheltenham at 12/1 which I would have thought is a huge price for a mullins horse that is strongly fancied.
Next time he won again, but again he drifted badly. I’m sure oor wullie knew exactly what was what and doesn’t regard Cousin Vinny as highly as some others may..Too true he backed the winner he’s in a defferent class……… Now he says he was a happy with CV in one breath and the next he’s talking about stepping him up in trip? I hear alarm bells……….The impression he gave me hasn’t changed one bit, he lacks the toe to win top class hurdle races over 2 miles……..Supreme Hurdle? never in a month of Sundays
Rather than trying to guess what Mullins thinks…why not read his comments after the race yesterday. Clearly stating that Cousin Vinny needed the run and that he was the one horse he was taking from the race. Maybe he did not state it clearly enough for some….
Willie rarely has his good horses tuned this side of Christmas
, will be a different story from mid January onwards (as usual).Good thread. Always good to see people taking diametrically opposite views from the same information…both visual and verbal. Its what makes the game after all.
Personally speaking I would still side with CV achieving more in his career than HF. Stepping up in trip wouldn’t ‘start alarm bells ringing’ for me…its hardly a radical step for a Bumper Champion.I’d be more than happy with the run from Cousin Vinny, if i were connections.
He travlled very strongly, his jockey even taking a pull coming round the last bend, and didnt really get asked to go on and win the race until near 2 out.
The pace of the race wasn’t fast, so there were a few that had plenty to give in the latter stages of the race, Hurricane Fly in particular.
I think both horses will be a force this season, and there is plenty to like about Cousin Vinny’s run yesterday.
I have always been very suspicious of bumper form as too many horse who run in them are backward immature types at the time.. 19 runner races can have as little as only 2 to 5 horses with a realistic chance of actually winning the race.
Many horses who have finished down the field in the Champion Bumper at the fesival end up having a better career than the horse who won it. Hairy Molly for example had Jonjos Witchita Lineman behind and Albertas Run who was a huge outsider and so far beind her you would have needed binoclars to spot him from the winning post.
Cork all Star had among others the Mullins pair Fiveforthree and Cooldine behind…..It would be no suprise if they go on to better things than Cork All Star will ever has…which would be hard to be fair..
I really don’t see Cousin Vinny being any sort of worldbeater…..He’ll win races as he showed enough to be able to say that but top class he is not IMO
The winner is a totally different flat type and has a good turn of foot, but I wonder if he’ll get up the hill at Chelt- maybe more of an Aintree type like Binocular
Hurricane Fly has won over 21f at Auteuil – there are no doubts about him getting up the hill, Carv.
What exactly has winning at a flat track like Auteuil got to do with him coming up the hill at HQ? I don’t doubt he stays OK but for me he’s a Flat beast with a serious turn of foot which will be better deployed at tracks like Leopardstown and Aintree than up that punishing hill at Chelt- but as another poster said, it’s all about opinions!
What exactly has winning at a flat track like Auteuil got to do with him coming up the hill at HQ? I don’t doubt he stays OK but for me he’s a Flat beast with a serious turn of foot which will be better deployed at tracks like Leopardstown and Aintree than up that punishing hill at Chelt- but as another poster said, it’s all about opinions!
Flat beast with a serious turn of foot that stays two-and-a-half miles? Sounds like Istabraq to me.
To be honest, I think your use of the phrase "I wonder if he will get up the hill" could quite easily be interpreted as questioning his stamina. That being my interpretation, I merely tried to inform you that he stays very well. I apologise for trying to be helpful, and will mind my manners next time.
I do have to ask though – if you think Hurricane Fly has no stamina doubts, then exactly what is your concern about him "coming up the hill"?
If you’re worried about him acting on the track, as opposed to just "the hill", then perhaps you could be more explicit next time. That way, I won’t look so daft when I answer a question you obviously haven’t asked.
What exactly has winning at a flat track like Auteuil got to do with him coming up the hill at HQ? I don’t doubt he stays OK but for me he’s a Flat beast with a serious turn of foot which will be better deployed at tracks like Leopardstown and Aintree than up that punishing hill at Chelt- but as another poster said, it’s all about opinions!
Flat beast with a serious turn of foot that stays two-and-a-half miles? Sounds like Istabraq to me.
To be honest, I think your use of the phrase "I wonder if he will get up the hill" could quite easily be interpreted as questioning his stamina. That being my interpretation, I merely tried to inform you that he stays very well. I apologise for trying to be helpful, and will mind my manners next time.
I do have to ask though – if you think Hurricane Fly has no stamina doubts, then exactly what is your concern about him "coming up the hill"?
If you’re worried about him acting on the track, as opposed to just "the hill", then perhaps you could be more explicit next time. That way, I won’t look so daft when I answer a question you obviously haven’t asked.
Jesus Grassy, has Hurricane Fly assumed the mantle of the great Beef or Salmon!!!
On a serious note, I watched the race again yesterday, he travelled very well throughout the race, is very tidy over his hurdles, but would like to see him again in a race where there is more pace rather than a slow pace and the two furlong sprint.
JohnJ.
, will be a different story from mid January onwards (as usual).
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