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Good point yet again, Nixer.
By the way there’s one sitting at well into three-figure odds at Betfair which has a similar rating to some of those at less than 20/1, and is arguably improving too, as well as having form over C&D. Might not run, but if it does it’ll be no more than 20/1 on the day, so might be worth taking the big price to small stakes and laying it off at much shorter ;)
Grass,
If your talking soft we yet to see rooster out this year he has had engagements this year and has missed them all.Ground not rite,Not right distance.<br>Oh and by the way wasn’t rooster done in by sacundai at aintree.Sacundai would later be beaten by Back in front and just last weekend was stuffed by solerina last weekend.<br>Please explain how one is good form the other is trash?
The ground was very testing at Aintree and the Booster did not stay -compounded by Johnson dropping his whip .
Watch the race though he cantered up to them – if the race was over 2m he would have won in a canter nixer .
OK the Bula may show that he has regressed . I doubt it and if he has not there is only one winner of the CH<br>
The Punchestown Festival is held in the spring, and a quick look in the form book will tell you that, on lines through Quazar, BIF needs to find approximately 25lb to get into a scrap with Rooster Booster in the Champion Hurdle. That deficit was proven to be generally accurate in BIF’s defeat behind Intersky Falcon at Tipperary.
You have got to be kidding to take the Tipperary form literally, if you do your a clown. Also I think you can discount the form of BiF in punchestown, it is quite common for horses not to run to form after Cheltenham. As for your proposition Grass, I asked you to lay me odds due to the fact that you seem to think that RB just has to turn up to win.
Let me make something clear, RB was a very impressive winner of the CH last season, and he is the horse that everybody has to beat, but to suggest that he is unbeatable is quite laughable.
Again, I’ll concede that age will eventually catch up with the Booster, but he didn’t actually have a race at any stage last year. He was as fresh as paint following every one of his victories, because he was so much better than the opposition.
You obviously missed the Agfa Hurdle at Sandown last season, I doubt he was as fresh as paint after that encounter.
talk all you want about BIF and IF, adn whoever else you want. I will say now that whatever beats sporazene in teh champion hurdle will win it.
And i have backed Rb for the champion already at a lot bigger than 4/1, i backed him last year on the day and have no axe to grind against the horse, but it was a soft race. Rhinestone cowboy didnt jump at all. Westender got left at the start, lost teh scottish champion to TTAT, and pulled up in teh fighting fifth. self defence, a maiden hurdler beat the rest. IF finished fifth having possibly gone off too fast, finished behind the frecnh furze and geos. Rooster Booster himself got beaten by sacundai in a very hard race over 2m4f – it is far from definite that teh whip made any difference – it is simply speculation. Sacundai then lost to Holy Orders at Punchestown.
Rooster Booster was impressive winner but there are more lots of holes in the form. He is vulnerable to something that missed the race. Sporazene to be will be able to travel with him.
I never said I did Grass, just correcting you in thinking that Rooster did not have a hard race last year.;)
Grass,
To say that Back infront has not mixed it in the top company is ridiculas.He ran in the cheltenham bumper with Rhinestone cowboy,Pizzaro,Iris’s gift,Thisthatandtother(recognise any of these)<br>Last year he mixed it with the best novice hurdlers Hardy eustace,Won the supreme.<br>This year again he has been racing against the top level in Intersky and solerina Sacundai.<br>He has always raced against the best around and now is progressing into the next level of racing.Has yet to prove it but is still unexposed as far as I’m concerned.<br>Regarding his race against Intersky Falcon the betting market that day tells you all you need to know about what was tought of back in front.Clear second fav with no money coming on a horse who won the supreme novices running in his backyard :o <br>And you seem to be forgetting that his run in punchestown came two days after his previous:o as an after thought by O’grady a why not run.<br>No one is suggesting he has shown champ winning form so far but as already said there is time to improve(his time of year) and we are yet to see Rooster so we can’t comment on his wellbeing or form the last time we saw him he was getting rolled over by sacundai.When rooster runs this year we will see if he has anything left.
Is it not problematic that this year’s race is being analysed mainly in the light of last year’s form? A year or two ago rooster Booster was struggling to get his head in front in handicaps, and then improved significantly last year to win the Champion hurdle very impressively. The question is not whether he is a great horse or the quality of his performance last year, but his potential to maintain the same level of form this year despite his advancing years. Rhinestone Cowboy did a lot better in this year’s race than the Rooster Booster of 2002 would have managed, is open to a lot of improvement, and, in my opinion, has shown that he is not soft or a bridle horse in races like the Champion Bumper despite losing out to Pizarro (reverse jockeys and he would have won an bridle), and indeed, in last year’s Champion Hurdle, where despite horrendous jumping errors, he battled on in the hands of a Williamson. BTW, I’m for one am glad he’s getting a new jockey, perhaps one with a bit more fire in his belly!
I’m not sure what the plans are for the horse but if the ground was riding slow come March (not so likely nowadays granted), I’d prefer to be on Copeland e/w at a huge price than take the 10’s currently on offer about Back In Front
As for the winner, I feel that if Rooster Booster turns up in the sort of form he showed leading up to this years event the race is as good as over.
I will however hold fire until I’ve seen a racecourse reappearance.
Lee
One of the tricks of this game Grasshopper, is knowing which form to ignore. Intersky’s beating of BiF is not form that has any bearing on the Champion Hurdle. BiF is considerably better than that.
I have a lot of respect for Rooster Booster. Maurice put him up for the Champion long before most of us thought he was entitled to be entered for the race. However, I believe he is vulnerable this season and if Baracouda doesn’t turn up (I’ve not given up yet Ardross), Back In Front seems to me to have the right stuff and the right profile for a Champion Hurdle winner.
Wilsonl – Be careful before lumping on Copeland e/w for the Champ Hurdle. I read somewhere (RP stable tour?) that he may be aimed at a spring novice chasing campaign.
If sacundai " rolled over " Rb it was a different race to the one I was watching .
On form the other horses have a big mountain to climb . Rooster Booster remains much the most likely winner of the Champion . If in last year’s form there is only one winner
Why base your criticism of Back In Front on form which is not relevant then Grasshopper?
I do wonder at how touchy people can get when the obvious is pointed out to them.
It is unlikely, as I have said, that Baracouda will run in the Champion Hurdle, but not beyond the realms of possibility. After all they gave the race serious consideration last season before opting for the Stayers.
I was simply speculating on a scenario in which Baracouda came up against Rooster in the Champion. Such speculation forms ante-post markets. In this circumstance I would be eager to back Baracouda to come out on top.
Now what was your point again, Grasshopper? <br>
(Edited by Steve M at 4:57 pm on Dec. 4, 2003)
..well now that’s fair enough. After all there is every chance that I could be wrong.
Steve Miller wrong :o :o :o :o :o :o
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scary stuff on the Sl site for RB haters
"The Bula Hurdle is the plan for Rooster Booster," Hobbs said on Thursday. "The ground was a bit too quick at Newcastle and also it was going to cause us jockey problems as we knew Richard (Johnson) was going to be at Newbury.
"It didn’t really suit the owner (Terry Warner) as well come to that so it was easier to wait for Cheltenham."
Plenty of trainers have been forced to delay the seasonal reappearance of their stable stars due to a lack of rain and unsuitable ground.
But Hobbs has had few opportunities to run Rooster Booster due to the grey’s vast improvement during the last campaign.
"Rooster Booster is now rated 170 and there just aren’t the options for him that there were last year – that’s the only difference," he explained.
Despite Rooster Booster having risen almost a stone and a half in the ratings since the beginning of last season, Hobbs is cautiously optimistic that his charge may find further improvement during this campaign.
"Everything is possible – he improved enormously last year so we hope that he might have done again<br>
All this anticaption, 100 days in advance, of a possible 5/1 winner? Why? There’s lots of racing on tomorrow, Maurice.
As for writing off all possible opposition based on last year’s form…. We know he’s the tops on last year’s form – he won the bloody race! <br>But who would have named Alderbrook the Champion Hurdler at this stage in his season? Or Make A Stand in his? Or Royal Gait in his? There’s a long way to go yet.
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