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If Bolger was in the form of 3 or 4 years ago then Verbal Dexterity would be a bet for me but that stable have been so inconsistent during the last two years, during which time they’re without a winner in Britain
If Bolger was in the form of 3 or 4 years ago then Verbal Dexterity would be a bet for me but that stable have been so inconsistent during the last two years, during which time they’re without a winner in Britain
I keep thinking back to the National Stakes and Beckford still on the bridle with Verbal Dexterity already under the whip, only for Beckford to start tiring and Verbal Dexterity drawing away under the pump.
In addition, Verbal Dexterity didn’t scope clean and had to miss the Dewhurst, so might that be another concern, a) That they were going 7F again and b) What was ailing the colt?
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Saxon warrior for the win, 5/2 the other day
Roaring lion to come for 2nd had a little e/w at 7/1
Played the f/c
Saxon warrior will be a guineas horse, forget the derby
pentagon will be the strong finisher for the derby Twelve left in the Racing Post Trophy but the betting hasn’t changed much. I suspect that once the punters wake up to Ryan Moore being on board and it’s no longer ante-post betting,the money will come for Saxon Warrior.
Isn’t it odd that Dewhurst third Seahenge is the same price (11/1) as 79 rated class 4 novice dead-heater Loxley?
Loxley is dropping a furlong, faces faster ground and Group winners. Surely Seahenge is the one to back at evens in a match bet?
Jeez Oh, the punters must have written off the Dewhurst already. There is a National Stakes winner in here, a Beresford winner, a Royal Lodge winner and a Champagne Stakes winner as well. Is this Loxley the second coming or what?
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Was absolutely certain seahenge wouldnt turn up here and would go to del mar, i may have to play him e/w, especially on the better ground
Regarding The Racing Post Trophy being “Rubbish”
2001 High Chaparral won the race and won the Derby the following year.
2004 Motivator won the race and won the Derby the following year.
2006 Authorised won the race and won the Derby the following year.
2011 Camelot won the race and won the Derby the following year.2013 winner Kingston Hill was runner up to Australia in the Derby and won the St Leger.
2009 Winner St Nicholas Abbey won a hat trick of Coronation Cups and landed other Group 1 races, including a Breeder’s Cup.
Not bad for “Rubbish” I would say.
I think this is the first year where the entries haven’t been piss poor in years.
Most years there’s one good horse against no hopers at group 1 level
Twelve left in the Racing Post Trophy but the betting hasn’t changed much. I suspect that once the punters wake up to Ryan Moore being on board and it’s no longer ante-post betting,the money will come for Saxon Warrior.
Isn’t it odd that Dewhurst third Seahenge is the same price (11/1) as 79 rated class 4 novice dead-heater Loxley?
Loxley is dropping a furlong, faces faster ground and Group winners. Surely Seahenge is the one to back at evens in a match bet?
Jeez Oh, the punters must have written off the Dewhurst already. There is a National Stakes winner in here, a Beresford winner, a Royal Lodge winner and a Champagne Stakes winner as well. Is this Loxley the second coming or what?
1/1, what more could he have done
I think Seahenge is the best horse in this race, and I have a sneaky suspicion he might turn out to be the great 3yo Churchill and Caravaggio were meant to be this year. It’s rare for a Ballydoyle 2yo to win on their first start, but he did and that often indicates they are pretty good. He didn’t handle Goodwood at all and was said to be very baby-ish, so forgive that run. He ran a good race at Doncaster when running fast closing sectionals from the rear of the field in a race not ran especially quick. He then ran a really good third in the Dewhurst when held up way off the pace and having to cover too much ground due to a wide trip from a rail-draw. There’s still a lot of improvement to come, especially over faster ground, and the trip up to a mile should suit.
I think Seahenge is the best horse in this race, and I have a sneaky suspicion he might turn out to be the great 3yo Churchill and Caravaggio were meant to be this year. It’s rare for a Ballydoyle 2yo to win on their first start, but he did and that often indicates they are pretty good. He didn’t handle Goodwood at all and was said to be very baby-ish, so forgive that run. He ran a good race at Doncaster when running fast closing sectionals from the rear of the field in a race not ran especially quick. He then ran a really good third in the Dewhurst when held up way off the pace and having to cover too much ground due to a wide trip from a rail-draw. There’s still a lot of improvement to come, especially over faster ground, and the trip up to a mile should suit.
A lot of the Galileo’s need their first start. Seahenge is a Scat Daddy, so not a typical slow starter.
For me Seahenge may beat The Pentagon but I think Ryan is on the correct runner in Saxon Warrior. The Deep Impact colt is also a first time winner and is far from exposed. In the Beresford he was last to come off the bridle and then ran a bit green as he hit the front, he soon repelled all challengers and I think he won with plenty up his sleeve. He is capable of winning this race and hitting 120 in the ratings with normal improvement.
You seem hard to please, Churchill did win 2 2000 Guineas after all.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I do think that Seahenge is coming into this underrated, and that 11/1 is definitely good value, but I’m not sure what it is you’re seeing that suggests he’s an absolute superstar in the making.
I agree that his Dewhurst effort can be marked up. As you say he had to come wide from a rail draw, and it should also be noted that that took him away from ‘the golden highway’ that Moore used with great success on the day.
I’ve decided to back him each-way here, in the hope that he will have more speed over a mile than the likes of the Pentagon, Roaring Lion and even Verbal Dexterity, but I really couldn’t see past Saxon Warrior at 5/2. However 13/8 looks far too short for me now despite his huge credentials, the race looks much too competitive to be taking that kind of price on a twice-raced colt.
Good luck with Seahenge Degaussed, and to everybody, again I can’t say I’m seeing what you’re seeing in the colt but I wish I had your confidence.
Steady money for Saxon Warrior this week, now 5/4 in places and the 6/4 is drying up.
I felt he would go off 6/4 but at this rate it could be evens. The Pentagon is out to 6/1.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Yeah, The Pentagon is remarkably weak but whether that’s due to his layoff or the ground (looks like he’ll need it quick) is debateable.
Loxley is an interesting runner who hasn’t been getting a lot of press and really does fall in the ‘could be anything’ pile. It’ll take a big effort to win this on his second start only 2 weeks after debut though and you’d probably be against him at 16/1. Merlin Magic is a horse I like but looks up against it at this level and surely Coat Of Arms and Theobald shan’t be running on their merits. I backed Roaring Lion at Newmarket and have been impressed but you’d have to worry about the way he wandered and is unlikely to get away with similar antics here. Gabr has reportedly been working well but probably just lacks a bit of the class of his competitors in this I’d of liked to see him do more when in front at Yarmouth. As for the Pentagon, I do want to be against him on the ground and after the layoff and I think Verbal Dexterity won a speculative Group 1 last time out and will find life tougher tomorrow.
That doesn’t leave an awful lot and whilst Saxon Warrior could prove to be an exceptional talent and sweep all before him both at Doncaster and throughout 2018, at 6/4 I’m not sure I’d want to be getting involved. Well done those on at larger prices. So I’m left with Seahenge (12/1) and Chilean (16/1); both of whom I’ve backed each way at 1/4 odds with Bet 365. Both have decent form on a softer surface and Seahenge has the big benefit of already having won at Doncaster looking like a mile would suit. I don’t think we saw anywhere near the best of him at Newmarket and I fancy him to put in a better showing here. As for Chilean, how could you not be impressed with what he did to the opposition at Haydock and if he has even more to offer, it’ll take a good one to defeat him.
I have laid a personal bet of 33/1 on Loxley with a mate for a fiver stake. I am not in the least concerned about this. The odds are a joke.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I think Seahenge is the best horse in this race, and I have a sneaky suspicion he might turn out to be the great 3yo Churchill and Caravaggio were meant to be this year. It’s rare for a Ballydoyle 2yo to win on their first start, but he did and that often indicates they are pretty good. He didn’t handle Goodwood at all and was said to be very baby-ish, so forgive that run. He ran a good race at Doncaster when running fast closing sectionals from the rear of the field in a race not ran especially quick. He then ran a really good third in the Dewhurst when held up way off the pace and having to cover too much ground due to a wide trip from a rail-draw. There’s still a lot of improvement to come, especially over faster ground, and the trip up to a mile should suit.
A lot of the Galileo’s need their first start. Seahenge is a Scat Daddy, so not a typical slow starter.
For me Seahenge may beat The Pentagon but I think Ryan is on the correct runner in Saxon Warrior. The Deep Impact colt is also a first time winner and is far from exposed. In the Beresford he was last to come off the bridle and then ran a bit green as he hit the front, he soon repelled all challengers and I think he won with plenty up his sleeve. He is capable of winning this race and hitting 120 in the ratings with normal improvement.
You seem hard to please, Churchill did win 2 2000 Guineas after all.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but AOB has five Scat Daddy colts in training this year and Seahenge is the only one to have won first time out.
Sioux Nation – 3rd
Dali – 2nd
Murillo – 6th
Seahenge – 1st
Mendelssohn – 8thThe fact Donnacha is on Seahenge is a massive positive for me. He tends to do best on Aidan’s 2yos. He’s won 21 races on them this year from 57 rides, whereas Moore is 18 from 62 and Heffernan is 18 from 76. If you had just backed Donnacha’s rides on his father’s 2yos this year to win, you’d be 29 points in profit.
Seahenge is a big horse, and they’ve talked about him being babyish. I think he needs time to grow into himself physically and mentally, which he should do over the winter and early next season, but there’s something about him that I really like. I thought he looked monstrous at Doncaster when making his move, before shortening his stride when hitting the front, only to quicken again when Donnacha got after him. He got no sort of run in the Dewhurst, but he’s still run well for third.
I’m probably being unfair on Churchill! I’ve never been a fan of him – I just thought he was over-developed compared to his contemporaries and has been caught up with now.
pentagon will be the strong finisher for the derby 
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