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Anyone know if there are any plans for Pires? He was a really big, stoutly bred 2-y-o for Mick Channon in 2006, he ran well in a couple of listed races at Ascot and was sold at the end of his 2-y-o season for 300K to Tony Martin. If ever I saw a 2-y-o that I thought would make a juvenile hurdler he was one. He never raced at all on the Flat in 2007.
It says a lot about the Irish and their attitude to horseracing that Tony Martin is considered a great trainer and a ‘legend’.
I think he is one of the best trainers in Ireland. He can train winners at Royal Ascot and Cheltenham and If I had a horse he would be my trainer
Tony Martin would make Sir Mark Prescott blush when it comes to getting something in off a low mark without showing his hand. Whether that’s all down to good old-fashioned skill I will leave it to you to decide…
The Irish Turf Club deserve everything they get when they stick horses like Munnings in on an official hurdle mark of 88. FFS he was eighth in the Irish Ces from only 2 lb lower on the Flat!! No real wonder the BHA compile their own ratings for when Irish horses come over is it?
Give us a clue, Fist of Fury. I’ve watched nearly all the races in Ireland in the last 8 months and may be able to help.
Found him thanks…. Ford Of Wells, never won anything over hurdles so probably his best run to date and only his second run over fences….certainly wasn’t knocked about and looked liked a future winner to me if not aimed too high……….but don’t tell anyone
Don’t put too much on FoF – you might cause some massive price change… like from 6/1 t 6/4 in one go
Mike
Be no chance of that would have no idea if he was off on or the race was the worst in the history of Irish racing………so it will be a couple of hundred quid max for the fun of it
Incidently Pro if you read this..you wouldn’t happen to know the whereabouts of Irish Jockey Frank Leavy who rode Light the Wad for Dessie Hughes and spent some time with Gordon Richards
Prufrock said:
I wonder if there has been a stewards into Concrete And Clay winning this afternoon. On its last run Timeform Perspective said: "ran a remarkable race given how far out of his ground he was for most of the way, and he should do a fair bit better than this in due course; he was plum last at halfway and still had more in front of him than behind him 2 out before finishing with a rattle to grab third."
Today, rushed up into lead 3 out and thrashed all the way home.
I had a similar thought, but I don’t think Charles O’Brien’s is a gambling stable and I don’t think they made any money out of today’s improvement.
In his early days his illustrious father would have had plenty on.
I have no doubt you are probably right Monkey but you never know with some trainers. I was sitting in a friends/jockey’s house when he told a trainer he shouldn’t run his horse in a race as Michael Dickinson had a real hot pot entered.
I knew the person he was talking to was going for a touch with his horse but I said nothing and had a quick look at the entries and found the race both horses were entered in which was very easy to do. Both horses won….Sir Wimpy and Abandonded warrior
On the Monday I went in and asked for 2000 quid on at 5/2 with Hills they refused me the price and offered me SP only……..he drifted to 5/1 and won by 30 lengths.the horse was called Sir Wimpy (first time out)…..which no doubt you can find somewhere in past results.
I couldn’t believe he had drifted so badly and won. On the Tuesday AW ran and was gambled on from 16/1 to 7/2 and also won by 30 lengthsWhether this is true or not I don’t know but I was told that MD only had about 2 bets a year and this horse was one of them. Apparently they had people pushing the horse out at the course while his money was going on in Ireland. I wasn’t supposed to know about AW and through respect for my friend I waited until just before the off and had a large bet on at SP…..just as well he called me that evening and knew exactly what I had on and where.
Unless we are there or lucky to be told I don’t think we have a clue what half of these people get up to………some trainers would rather have a quiet 500 quid on at 33/1 than risk 3000 quid at 5/1 others would rather be seen to have landed a massive touch and attract gambling owners into the yard……….you can bet a few shrewd Irish trainers have done the former more than once and had a surprised look on there face when they told the owner "Oh my!! to be sure I never thought he could win that one today congratulations" smirk smirk!!
Duh!!! Get a grip Dessie I thing he was being slightly flippant…….Remeber one thing though it was a great Irish trainer who first said" The secret is not stopping a horse it’s having one that’s good enough to stop"
BTW welcome and have fun
sorry fist, i wish i had you wisdom and sense of irony.
Who me? Wisdom? I’m the guy who said Red Rum wouldn’t be placed in his 2nd Grand National and lost bundles laying him. You need a bit more than Wisdom to keep up with the Irish……….While our trainers are working out the best way to get their horses to Cheltenham 100% fit, the Irish are working out how they are going to get all their winnings plus the trophies into one small aeroplane
Due to the more restricted racing programme in Ireland, you get very big fields in maiden and novice races and they all tend to attract some good horses.
Therefore you get horses with a big range of abilities running in these races with completely different levels of expectation. Some are just going through a period of purgatory before getting a handicap mark, others are looking for a gentle introduction and a select few are hoping to win.
Excellent post Monkey. Very well summed up, its exactly the same on the flat, the big stables dominate there also, apart from the first few months when Stack and Prendergast have quite forward two year olds.
JohnJ.
Due to the more restricted racing programme in Ireland, you get very big fields in maiden and novice races and they all tend to attract some good horses.
Therefore you get horses with a big range of abilities running in these races with completely different levels of expectation. Some are just going through a period of purgatory before getting a handicap mark, others are looking for a gentle introduction and a select few are hoping to win.
Excellent post Monkey. Very well summed up, its exactly the same on the flat, the big stables dominate there also, apart from the first few months when Stack and Prendergast have quite forward two year olds.
JohnJ.
To let you understand JJ I haven’t paid any attention to the flat for years.Quite frankly I couldn’t pick my nose when it comes to the flat.
When I seen the name Stack I was curious so went to the internet……I think I vaguely remember Tommy taking up training way back but I had no idea he was so successful. Mind you it doesn’t surprise me, a brilliant jockey and a brilliant judge of a horse apparently……I say that because the last time I saw him was in the early 80’s at Newmarket Sales with none other than Robert Sangster………it was Stacky that was doing all the looking and checking out the horses for him……great that he has reached such heights I might just try catching up this coming season and follow his early 2 year old for a bit of fun.
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