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The punters know the score with these Welsey Ward fillies.
You can either boycott the race, or plan for it and get money on the one that you think is his leading contender as soon as possible.
I was accused yesterday of being smug and basing my post race analysis on what I said coming into the race.
What can I say to that?
I put this filly up on 23rd April and put up the horse who finished 2nd today, as my saver at 8/1.
All I can say then is………………………………….nothing. Maybe that way I won’t upset anybody.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Judge is just sad he backed a donkey and the superstar hackeeeeeedddd up! Now he says shes a druggie…in case you didnt know she would be tested after the race
Judge is just sad he backed a donkey and the superstar hackeeeeeedddd up! Now he says shes a druggie…in case you didnt know she would be tested after the race
Goresking your lack of intelligence is simply breathtaking and shines through in everything you write.
The punters know the score with these Welsey Ward fillies.
You can either boycott the race, or plan for it and get money on the one that you think is his leading contender as soon as possible.
I was accused yesterday of being smug and basing my post race analysis on what I said coming into the race.
What can I say to that?
I put this filly up on 23rd April and put up the horse who finished 2nd today, as my saver at 8/1.
All I can say then is………………………………….nothing. Maybe that way I won’t upset anybody.
Steve, it’s more than just about the punters and whether you win or lose money on the race.
It’s the integrity of the sport which if the people in charge cared about, they wouldn’t allow these Wesley Ward runners to participate.
But we see the same situation in pretty much every sport. People still swoon over Usain Bolt’s performances. They fawn at the feet of Djokovic.
Until people stand up and say “Enough is enough” we don’t want drugs in our sport anymore, this will continue to happen.
Judge is just sad he backed a donkey and the superstar hackeeeeeedddd up! Now he says shes a druggie…in case you didnt know she would be tested after the race
Goresking your lack of intelligence is simply breathtaking and shines through in everything you write.
Pretty sure I have given you plenty of winners. Im telling you they are certs and your backing against them becuase of your little ego. I guess one day you will get rich
My lack of intelligence? How can someone who isnt as rich as another man say he is not intelligent?
Judge is just sad he backed a donkey and the superstar hackeeeeeedddd up! Now he says shes a druggie…in case you didnt know she would be tested after the race
Goresking your lack of intelligence is simply breathtaking and shines through in everything you write.
Pretty sure I have given you plenty of winners. Im telling you they are certs and your backing against them becuase of your little ego. I guess one day you will get rich
My lack of intelligence? How can someone who isnt as rich as another man say he is not intelligent?
Well, I’m on the clever side but I’m certainly not rich. One’s bank account doesn’t reflect one’s IQ.
Judge is just sad he backed a donkey and the superstar hackeeeeeedddd up! Now he says shes a druggie…in case you didnt know she would be tested after the race
Goresking your lack of intelligence is simply breathtaking and shines through in everything you write.
Pretty sure I have given you plenty of winners. Im telling you they are certs and your backing against them becuase of your little ego. I guess one day you will get rich
My lack of intelligence? How can someone who isnt as rich as another man say he is not intelligent?
Well, I’m on the clever side but I’m certainly not rich. One’s bank account doesn’t reflect one’s IQ.
If it did (and probably does) Goreisking would read 0.00
Interesting point about the clenbuterol. I’m no equine vet and perhaps they know something I don’t, but I would question the wisdom of using a beta-blocker as a long-term measure in racehorses since it has been shown to worsen pulmonary function in humans and in horses; some researchers suggest using it for no longer than two weeks to avoid these effects.
In studies, clenbuterol has been found to reduce narrowing of the airways in response to histamine in comparison to a placebo, but several treadmill studies have found no improvement in performance with its use. It’s also worth noting that clenbuterol doesn’t seem to have much effect in normal horses (that is, those who do not suffer with allergic airway disease) – but it’s estimated that up to 1/3 of racehorses in training DO suffer with allergic airway disease. In those horses, the use of clenbuterol may be genuinely therapeutic rather than merely performance enhancing.
There ARE anabolic effects reported with clenbuterol in humans and horses – but in horses these effects are only seen at higher doses (2.4ug/kg twice daily), which is significantly higher than the lower doses used by most racehorse trainers. Additionally, the anabolic effects noted at the higher dose also seemed to wane by 2 weeks in one notable study, so I think any benefit it might have in this sense is unclear.
Clenbuterol is, as far as I am aware, banned on racedays in the USA with variable withdrawal periods dependent on state (I think it’s usually less than 72 hours). Obviously frusemide (Lasix/Salix) IS allowed on raceday across the pond and that bothers me more. Although it’s used predominantly for its diuretic effects to reduce blood pressure within the lungs and reduce the severity of EIPH (exercise-induced pulmonary haemorrhage), I know that frusemide does have some airway-expanding effects in some species. I honestly don’t know if the same applies to horses.
I see it as no coincidence that the States breeds some of the most unsound Thoroughbreds in the world, when they are permitted to race on so many medications. Personally I can’t wait until things move on and there is a greater crackdown on the use of drugs in racehorses for reasons other than bona fide medical treatment.
The punters know the score with these Welsey Ward fillies.
You can either boycott the race, or plan for it and get money on the one that you think is his leading contender as soon as possible.
I was accused yesterday of being smug and basing my post race analysis on what I said coming into the race.
What can I say to that?
I put this filly up on 23rd April and put up the horse who finished 2nd today, as my saver at 8/1.
All I can say then is………………………………….nothing. Maybe that way I won’t upset anybody.
Steve, it’s more than just about the punters and whether you win or lose money on the race.
It’s the integrity of the sport which if the people in charge cared about, they wouldn’t allow these Wesley Ward runners to participate.
But we see the same situation in pretty much every sport. People still swoon over Usain Bolt’s performances. They fawn at the feet of Djokovic.
Until people stand up and say “Enough is enough” we don’t want drugs in our sport anymore, this will continue to happen.
I get the point about the drugs and it’s something we should be thinking about longer term if we don’t want to see these juvenile races won by horses having a huge physical advantage.
Today’s runner up would have been a nice winner in her own right in another year.
I was just saying that, while nobody is willing to take a stand against the use of chemicals, then, as a punter you can choose to cash in on that.
The money might be “dirty” in some people’s eyes but bookies money is always nice to be spending.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Yeah I like Steve’s notion, though it’s a bit dodgy that a foreign raider can have an advantage through the previous taking of drugs banned in this country, we’d be silly not to take advantage of this known fact.
Sadly for me I’ve backed 2 Ward horses at Ascot, Sunset Glow last year and don’t remember the name of the other one, both came 2nd
In my experience most Ward runners are quite ordinary, just that when he does get one that’s ahead of the pack, it’s way way ahead
so yes you can take advantage of it, just that it’s a question of shifting out the wheat from the chaff
Backed her, so I probably shouldn’t be complaining but I always find it very difficult to enjoy these Wesley Ward winners. Just can’t get rid of this suspicion of foul play. Wouldn’t mind it if such performance was an exception but there’s one like that pretty much every year, isn’t it? (Jealous Again, Strike The Tiger, No Nay Never, Hootenanny, Acapulco and now Lady Aurelia). I find it very hard to believe that Ward is unearthing an Arazi every year, especially when they are twice as muscular as the other horses in the race. And, the sad thing is most of these turn out to be completely useless as three year olds.
I’ve always loved the game more than the money I make out of it, always will and wouldn’t want to have it any other way, so these niggling doubts about them winners always give rise to quite uncomfortable feelings in the aftermath.
Backed her, so I probably shouldn’t be complaining but I always find it very difficult to enjoy these Wesley Ward winners. Just can’t get rid of this suspicion of foul play. Wouldn’t mind it if such performance was an exception but there’s one like that pretty much every year, isn’t it? (Jealous Again, Strike The Tiger, No Nay Never, Hootenanny, Acapulco and now Lady Aurelia). I find it very hard to believe that Ward is unearthing an Arazi every year, especially when they are twice as muscular as the other horses in the race. And, the sad thing is most of these turn out to be completely useless as three year olds.
I’ve always loved the game more than the money I make out of it, always will and wouldn’t want to have it any other way, so these niggling doubts about them winners always give rise to quite uncomfortable feelings in the aftermath.
Well said Seabird
Backed her, so I probably shouldn’t be complaining but I always find it very difficult to enjoy these Wesley Ward winners. Just can’t get rid of this suspicion of foul play. Wouldn’t mind it if such performance was an exception but there’s one like that pretty much every year, isn’t it? (Jealous Again, Strike The Tiger, No Nay Never, Hootenanny, Acapulco and now Lady Aurelia). I find it very hard to believe that Ward is unearthing an Arazi every year, especially when they are twice as muscular as the other horses in the race. And, the sad thing is most of these turn out to be completely useless as three year olds.
I’ve always loved the game more than the money I make out of it, always will and wouldn’t want to have it any other way, so these niggling doubts about them winners always give rise to quite uncomfortable feelings in the aftermath.
But not so uncomfortable that it stops you betting? Surely making money out of something you feel uncomfortable about is basically contradicting the idea that making money is not so important as some sort of moral stance? By betting you are accepting what Ward is doing. Not sure how you can have it both ways?
Just watching the C4 recording from the day. As C4 gently bow out, the great Claire Balding treated us to a pearler today – “actually, looking down the former winners of the Queen Mary, it’s very rare, I can’t see a French trained winner, well certainly not going back to 1977…”.
So, C4 can only bother to provide stats to their presenters going back to 1977 for a race that has been run since 1921. We can’t really blame Balding, can we? Although, she of all people will have heard of Marcel Boussac and Charles Semblat, and a glance down, well, wikipedia, would have shown her that the French have won this prize on one occasion. Ho hum. Let’s hope ITV have a bit more pride in their jobs.
Backed her, so I probably shouldn’t be complaining but I always find it very difficult to enjoy these Wesley Ward winners. Just can’t get rid of this suspicion of foul play. Wouldn’t mind it if such performance was an exception but there’s one like that pretty much every year, isn’t it? (Jealous Again, Strike The Tiger, No Nay Never, Hootenanny, Acapulco and now Lady Aurelia). I find it very hard to believe that Ward is unearthing an Arazi every year, especially when they are twice as muscular as the other horses in the race. And, the sad thing is most of these turn out to be completely useless as three year olds.
I’ve always loved the game more than the money I make out of it, always will and wouldn’t want to have it any other way, so these niggling doubts about them winners always give rise to quite uncomfortable feelings in the aftermath.
But not so uncomfortable that it stops you betting? Surely making money out of something you feel uncomfortable about is basically contradicting the idea that making money is not so important as some sort of moral stance? By betting you are accepting what Ward is doing. Not sure how you can have it both ways?
imo Stilvi, it is essential to keep a punter’s betting completely seperate from feelings about anything else. I totally agree with Sea Bird (actually, I’d get rid of the word “niggling”).
Ward has been a serial clenbuterol abuser under USA rules – a substance that can be used as a growth hormone…
But Ward does not use it at all on his British runners – we know this precisely because… he says he doesn’t.
Here’s an old piece by David Ashforth:
Sorry, not saying he’s doing anything wrong in GB, but when someone has broken the rules multiple times I find it difficult to believe he’s always innocent.
Wouldn’t stop me backing one of his if thinking it value. Still be hoping it lost.
EDIT: Made similar comments last year, hadn’t realised these points had already been made on this thread.
Value Is EverythingThe Morning Line doing a full on suck up to Ward. Sickening actually.
Until the media changes their tune and starts to view these performances with the suspicion they deserve nothing will ever change.
Does anyone think Ward would have the success he had with two year olds if he had to train under British rules?
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