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    thejudge1thejudge1
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    Anyone else think this is a very poor renewal this year?

    The forecast soft ground might also prompt some withdrawals. Wesley Ward has already expressed doubts about his runners handling the conditions which puts a question mark against the favourite. In any case I don’t get the same sort of vibes about her as there was about Acapulco last year.

    None of the british contenders who have won a race have particularly impressed so I think this might end up going to a maiden. MADAME DANCEALOT showed up very well on her first race at Chester only just going down to one of the best two year old colts around so at decent odds think she is worth an each way poke at least. REEH for John Gosden is another I think might be overpriced although I have a feeling she would appreciate better ground.

    #1251090
    goreisking
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    Ground has probably gone against her, but one Lady Aurelia would destroy this awful field and she probably still will on soft going!

    #1251091
    thejudge1thejudge1
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    Have you actually seen her run Goreisking or are you just guessing?

    You say the same thing on every thread.

    #1251103
    goreisking
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    Seen her run pal, and she is like a 4 year old. The Americans are so far forward with there 2 year olds. She is a very good horse, she broke track record at Keeneland on her debut, was then breezed on grass and reports of scintillating work. Wesley said she wont be beaten also and he dosent talk sh*t quite frankly. :good:

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    stilvi
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    I think it is guesswork how most, if not all of these are going to handle conditions.

    I have taken the 9/4 about the favourite. Would rather not back Dettori but a point and fire ride shouldn’t stretch him too much.

    At the current prices of the others I think Camargue is the most appealing. Decent pedigree, progressive and some course form.

    #1251108
    goreisking
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    Definitely guess work about the going, if the ground was good-good to firm I would have a huge bet on the filly.

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    thejudge1thejudge1
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    Seen her run pal, and she is like a 4 year old. The Americans are so far forward with there 2 year olds. She is a very good horse, she broke track record at Keeneland on her debut, was then breezed on grass and reports of scintillating work. Wesley said she wont be beaten also and he dosent talk sh*t quite frankly. :good:

    I have never known Wesley Ward to underplay his horses. He’s also expressed doubts about his horses on the going.

    Do you ever do anything but tip the favs?

    #1251112
    goreisking
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    Favs for a reason…they normally win! Thats why I make so much :good: A fav in a group 1/2 will normally win especially if I say it will!

    #1251131
    thejudge1thejudge1
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    right….

    #1251556
    goreisking
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    Make sure you get on Lady Aurelia! Superstarrrrr :good:

    #1251563
    thejudge1thejudge1
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    Make sure you get on Lady Aurelia! Superstarrrrr :good:

    Not like u to tip a fav ;-)

    #1251566
    RacingLife
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    I think it is guesswork how most, if not all of these are going to handle conditions.

    I have taken the 9/4 about the favourite. Would rather not back Dettori but a point and fire ride shouldn’t stretch him too much.

    At the current prices of the others I think Camargue is the most appealing. Decent pedigree, progressive and some course form.

    I really love this Camargue of Johnsons, I’ve backed it on it’s last two runs – 2nd on the AW when it should have won and then won cosily as Ascot on good ground. I am slightly worried about him staying on soft ground however.. on his AW run he was caught on the line, he hung all over the track in the last furlong – now I don’t know whether that was greenness when he hit the front or whether he doesn’t stay beyond 5f as that was 6f and he was fine over 5f last time at Ascot.

    I was suprised to see him priced up at 20/1 considering the strength of Johnsons 2yo team – does this signify a lack of confidence in the horse do you think? Is the price down to the soft ground? He really looks like a pure 5f horse to me (at least at this stage in his career) so maybe he might be vulnerable to something with a bit more stamina.

    I haven’t seen the American horse.. is there any way we can guess which of these 2yos will go on the ground? Can their breeding help us?

    #1251568
    RacingLife
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    The American horse Lady Aurelia is by Scat Daddy the same Sire of Caravaggio who didn’t seem to be inconvenienced by the ground yesterday…

    #1251574
    raymo61raymo61
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    Julie In The Crown and Stormy Clouds for me e/w. Both pretty experienced which can count for a lot in bad ground. :good:

    And Stormy Clouds looked progressive before encountering fast ground last time!!

    #1251575
    thejudge1thejudge1
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    Tbh I think the fav will take a lot of beating here as this is as weak a queen mary I can remember, in terms of the home challenge. Last years was stronger from that point of view and a Wesley Ward runner ran away with it. I can’t actually recall any British runner in this field winning a race and my thinking “Wow, that could be a Queen Mary horse”

    That’s why I’ve gone with Madame Dancealot as she impressed me more in defeat than others have in winning. I also liked Reeh’s attitude even though she got beat at Nottingham.

    Quince Dolly is another one to throw into the mix as her sire does well if soft is in the description, but yes if Lady Aurelia handles the ground I doubt they will see which way she went.

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