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Some bet on Persuasive that, unbelievable stuff! Have a damn good drink – you’ve earned it, icing on the cake with the extra place too
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Thanks BB I will
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Wow Jac, I’ve just watched the races that I missed this afternoon, inspired picks
with both I clocked your post earlier on, and thought about Nathra after you
pointed out the 80/1. I backed her e/w last time out in the Sun Chariot, but deserted
her here
Very well done, you must have finished that bottle of Prosecco by now,
I’d open another one and stock up on the Ibuprofen for the morning
Richard Fahy not very happy at all by the sounds of things, he’s suggesting that Ribchester would have won easily if not for the rain this week and that may not be too far wide of the mark.
Churchill didn’t seem to have too many excuses other than the ground but it’s the same for everyone. To my mind he looks like a 10 furlong horse now but I suspect he’ll be carted off to the breeding sheds and we won’t get a chance to see that again.
Has anyone heard from Beat The Bank and Al Wukair camps? Neither ever even threatened to get involved.
Richard Fahy not very happy at all by the sounds of things, he’s suggesting that Ribchester would have won easily if not for the rain this week and that may not be too far wide of the mark.
Churchill didn’t seem to have too many excuses other than the ground but it’s the same for everyone. To my mind he looks like a 10 furlong horse now but I suspect he’ll be carted off to the breeding sheds and we won’t get a chance to see that again.
Has anyone heard from Beat The Bank and Al Wukair camps? Neither ever even threatened to get involved.
I think they will send Ribchester off to stud, probably why he is a bit upset. The 3YO Fillies form looks far stronger overall compared to the Colts of any age. Champion Miler, one of three Ribchester, Roly Poly & Winter as it stands. Think a Girl should get it myself
Richard Fahy not very happy at all by the sounds of things, he’s suggesting that Ribchester would have won easily if not for the rain this week and that may not be too far wide of the mark.
Churchill didn’t seem to have too many excuses other than the ground but it’s the same for everyone. To my mind he looks like a 10 furlong horse now but I suspect he’ll be carted off to the breeding sheds and we won’t get a chance to see that again.
Has anyone heard from Beat The Bank and Al Wukair camps? Neither ever even threatened to get involved.
You havent heard from beat the bank or al wukair because they both ran their races, neither were good enough and BTB distance infront of lavery again is probably a reflection of him running his race rather than something amiss
Would be surprised if either came back with an issue
Whatever his sectionals were he was still only about 8 lengths ahead of Sovereign Debt who finished 4th with that horse conceding 7lbs to him. Ribchester will only be conceding the 3lbs on Saturday. His price is far too short on actually achievement. He could still be improving mind you so good luck to those who are on, just not for me at this stage of his career in this race.
Only about 8 lengths, Nathan?
Ribchester will also need to give Beat The Bank weight for age. Although carrying a penalty, Soverign Debt was only “conceding” 3 lbs more than weight for age. Taking 3 lbs off the 8 lengths means BTB still effectively gave SD almost a 7 lengths beating. Even Ribchester would struggle to beat Sovereign Debt more than 7 lengths at levels.Am more than happy with my 8/1 Beat The Bank and 3/1 Ribchester.
Like so often is the case, when a horse wins a race by a long margin many don’t understand how good the performance is. It may only be Sir John Lavery he beat by 5 lengths, but there’s plenty of room to put many bloody good horses in that 5 lengths gap.
Beat the Bank beat Sir John Lavery by 5 lengths again, no bloody good horses in the gap though ginge just in-front…….
If Sovereign Debt had run surely would of finished behind BTB so would of been ONLY about 20 lengths behind RibchesterSo often the case I still don’t understand…….
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Richard Fahy not very happy at all by the sounds of things, he’s suggesting that Ribchester would have won easily if not for the rain this week and that may not be too far wide of the mark.
Churchill didn’t seem to have too many excuses other than the ground but it’s the same for everyone. To my mind he looks like a 10 furlong horse now but I suspect he’ll be carted off to the breeding sheds and we won’t get a chance to see that again.
Has anyone heard from Beat The Bank and Al Wukair camps? Neither ever even threatened to get involved.
I don’t know why Fahey wasn’t happy – Ribchester has soft ground form and ran on the same course as every other bugger.
Richard Fahy not very happy at all by the sounds of things, he’s suggesting that Ribchester would have won easily if not for the rain this week and that may not be too far wide of the mark.
Churchill didn’t seem to have too many excuses other than the ground but it’s the same for everyone. To my mind he looks like a 10 furlong horse now but I suspect he’ll be carted off to the breeding sheds and we won’t get a chance to see that again.
Has anyone heard from Beat The Bank and Al Wukair camps? Neither ever even threatened to get involved.
I don’t know why Fahey wasn’t happy – Ribchester has soft ground form and ran on the same course as every other bugger.
He definitely would have won on better ground, caught him out at the end, he has good form on soft, but it was in a weaker race, broke a track record when he got good to firm
Richard Fahy not very happy at all by the sounds of things, he’s suggesting that Ribchester would have won easily if not for the rain this week and that may not be too far wide of the mark.
Churchill didn’t seem to have too many excuses other than the ground but it’s the same for everyone. To my mind he looks like a 10 furlong horse now but I suspect he’ll be carted off to the breeding sheds and we won’t get a chance to see that again.
Has anyone heard from Beat The Bank and Al Wukair camps? Neither ever even threatened to get involved.
I don’t know why Fahey wasn’t happy – Ribchester has soft ground form and ran on the same course as every other bugger.
He definitely would have won on better ground, caught him out at the end, he has good form on soft, but it was in a weaker race, broke a track record when he got good to firm
I don’t disagree with you, but I don’t understand why Fahey wasn’t happy. He walked the course himself and left Ribchester in the race. If he felt the ground was unsuitable, pull him out and save him for the Breeders Cup.
Whatever his sectionals were he was still only about 8 lengths ahead of Sovereign Debt who finished 4th with that horse conceding 7lbs to him. Ribchester will only be conceding the 3lbs on Saturday. His price is far too short on actually achievement. He could still be improving mind you so good luck to those who are on, just not for me at this stage of his career in this race.
Only about 8 lengths, Nathan?
Ribchester will also need to give Beat The Bank weight for age. Although carrying a penalty, Soverign Debt was only “conceding” 3 lbs more than weight for age. Taking 3 lbs off the 8 lengths means BTB still effectively gave SD almost a 7 lengths beating. Even Ribchester would struggle to beat Sovereign Debt more than 7 lengths at levels.Am more than happy with my 8/1 Beat The Bank and 3/1 Ribchester.
Like so often is the case, when a horse wins a race by a long margin many don’t understand how good the performance is. It may only be Sir John Lavery he beat by 5 lengths, but there’s plenty of room to put many bloody good horses in that 5 lengths gap.
Beat the Bank beat Sir John Lavery by 5 lengths again, no bloody good horses in the gap though ginge just in-front…….
If Sovereign Debt had run surely would of finished behind BTB so would of been ONLY about 20 lengths behind RibchesterSo often the case I still don’t understand…….
If you think BTB ran anywhere near his best in finishing 11 lengths behind Persuasive, Nathan… You’re very much mistaken.
No, I didn’t think you’d “understand”.Like I said: “Like so often is the case, when a horse wins a race by a long margin many don’t understand how good the performance is”. It’s happening again with Cracksman.
Value Is EverythingAlso some over react to wide margin wins making a horse overbet and poor value just like Beat the Bank was on Saturday
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Beat the bank ran to his formline, like i had previously stated, lavery probably was primed for a better performance at the weekend hence why he got to 5 lengths of an all out btb
He had a lofty rating for beating a nothing field, the “sectionals” were wrong, as they almost always are.
Cracksman doing that against group 1 performers is NOT the same as btb doing that to listed performers, it dosent entitle him to be bang their in a genuine group 1
11 lengths behind persuasive is probably correct, he isnt a 118 horse, he was flattered by the group 2
Beat the bank ran to his formline, like i had previously stated, lavery probably was primed for a better performance at the weekend hence why he got to 5 lengths of an all out btb
He had a lofty rating for beating a nothing field, the “sectionals” were wrong, as they almost always are.
Cracksman doing that against group 1 performers is NOT the same as btb doing that to listed performers, it dosent entitle him to be bang their in a genuine group 1
11 lengths behind persuasive is probably correct, he isnt a 118 horse, he was flattered by the group 2
Racing Post have Beat The Bank running to 95, ham.
That’s 19 lbs less than they rate him running to in the Sir Henry Cecil Stakes.
A stone and a half! less than the Thoroughbred Stakes…
…And a full TWO stones worse than the Joel.It’s a similar story with Timeform.
A horse rated 95 wouldn’t even get in to some top handicaps…
So how has he already won a listed, Group 3 and Group 2 all easily, by between 3 and 5 lengths?
Future may or may not show Beat The Bank worthy of his 123 rating, but if not it won’t be by the astonishing amounts you two imply.
Value Is EverythingGinger,
Barney Roy will be dropping back to a mile next year.
I’ll double or quits you the fish and chips you owe me that BTB does not finish ahead of him in any G1 race next season.?Gaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026
Ginger,
Barney Roy will be dropping back to a mile next year.
I’ll double or quits you the fish and chips you owe me that BTB does not finish ahead of him in any G1 race next season.?It’s just like you to bring the debate down to fish and chips instead of logical debate.
We both have a high opinion of Barney Roy, Nathan. Although it wouldn’t surprise me if Beat The Bank beats Barney, a lot will depend on the ground.
If you believe Beat The Bank ran to form on Saturday, then you’re saying he’s no better than around 95.
95 is not good enough to even get in to some big mile handicaps, let alone win one. So how come Beat The Bank has already won a listed race by 3 lengths followed by a Group 3 by 3 lengths followed by a Group 2 by 5?Value Is Everything
Very well done, you must have finished that bottle of Prosecco by now,
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