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Have found that Google stores a lot of free newspaper archives. Mostly American but some local British ones as well. Have been looking through some Scottish papers’ coverage of Nationals of yore, and this is for useful for seeing the National runners that weren’t.
I’ll post more if I get chance, but will leave you with findings for 1978. Seems that some that were at least left in with a few days to go, but not in the final field were:
Bar Rock
Cantabet
Timmie’s Battle (a Foxhunter-type?)With Red Rum and Forest King declared to run but ultimately withdrawn.
Will keep looking for other stuff.
Kifill, 1995 had 3, Master Oats, Cool Ground, and Garrison Savannah.
Interestingly enough so did 1994. Garrison Savannah, The Fellow and Master Oats. Only thing is… Master Oats wouldn’t win the Gold Cup for another 11 months!
Such a strange occurrence. Is there any other occasion when a horse went from running in the Grand National to winning the Gold Cup? One would hardly call the National a Gold Cup prep
Dad, try to find that rant you made regarding Over The Deel’s suspicious withdrawal from the ’98 race!
According to the Glasgow Herald of 31 March 1976, there were 37 4-day decs for the National later that week. 32 started, so we can deduce that those coming out were…
Notification (never heard of)
Otter Way
Credit Call (another Foxhunter, I believe)
Straight Vulgan
Vulgan Town1978 Entries – weight in lbs
Fort Devon 168
Red Rum 167
Royal Frolic 166
Uncle Bing 162
Davy Lad 161
Shifting Gold 160
Flashy Boy 159
Andy Pandy 158
Tied Cottage 158
Rag Trade 157
Master H 156
Tamalin 156
Our Edition 153
April Seventh 151
Otter Way 150
Lucius 149
Roman Bar 148
War Bonnet 148
Forest King 145
Rusty Tears 144
So 144
Mickley Seabright 143
Sir Garnet 142
Hidden Value 140
Golden Whin 140
Coolishall 139
What A Buck 139
Brown Admiral 139
Master Upham 139
Irish Tony 138
Skiddaw View 138
Timmie’s Battle 138
Artistic Prince 138
Sebastian V 137
My Friendly Cousin 137
Double Negative 137
Never Rock 136
Drumroan 136
Churchtown Boy 135
Catch The Wind 135
Eyecatcher 134
The Pilgarlic 134
Lord Browndodd 134
Nereo 134
Gylippus 134
Lean Forward 134
Spittin’ Image 134
Cornish Princess 134
Orillo 131
Henry Hall 130
Cantabet 130
Harban 130
Alpenstock 130
Bar Rock 129
Golden Rapper 128
Teddy Bear II 128
Double Bridal 128
Burrator 128
Ton Three 126
Barouche 126
Exhibit B 125
Romany Bay 125
Silkstone 124
Cartwright 123
The Songwriter 122
Sadale VI 119
Gleaming Rain 119
Foresail 1191977 entriesFort Devon 168
Bula 165
Red Rum 162
April Seventh 162
Flashy Boy 159
Zeta’s Son 158
What A Buck 158
Rag Trade 155
Shifting Gold 154
Davy Lad 153
Otter Way 153
Forest King 152
Even Up 152
Glanford Brigg 151
Ben More 151
Tied Cottage 150
Roman Bar 150
Argent 150
Gay Vulgan 148
Pengrail 148
Money Market 148
Andy Pandy 147
Golden Lancer 147
King Flame 147
Barona 146
Prince Rock 146
Shull Donn 146
Winter Rain 146
War Bonnet 146
Monfire 146
High Ken 145
Irish Tony 145
Another Muddle 144
Hidden Value 144
The Pilgarlic 144
Sir Garnet 143
Junior Partner 143
Lord Browndodd 142
Eyecatcher 141
Highway View 141
Collingwood 141
Brown Admiral 141
False Note 141
Lord Of The Hills 141
Exhibit B 141
Duffle Coat 141
Bentley Boy 140
Sage Merlin 140
Nereo 140
Bighorn 138
Henry Hall 138
Southern Quest 137
Carroll Street 137
Boom Docker 137
Capuchin 136
Saucy Belle 136
Castleruddery 136
Cantabet 135
Churchtown Boy 134
Village Slave 134
Sebastian V 134
Guiding Star 134
Harban 134
Teddy Bear II 134
Norwegian Flag 133
Mourneview 133
Right Lad 133
Royal Thrust 133
Black Mac 132
Happy Ranger 132
My Friendly Cousin 131
Gold Escort 131
Ballybright 131
Sandwilan 130
Burrator 130
Lictor 129
Foresail 129
Baylord 127
Omao 127
Spittin’ Image 126
Evander 126
Innycarra 126
Willy What 125
Fort Vulgan 124
Barouche 123
Herminius 123
The Norseman 123
Kilmore Boy 122
Pelegro 121
Wattafella 120
Huperade 119
The Songwriter 119
Canonbie Key 119
Ebony Rock 119
Kilcoo Lad 119
Korona 119
Maniwaki 119
Mr Rusty 119
Barony Fort 1191976 entries
Soothsayer 167
Red Rum 164
April Seventh 162
The Dikler 161
Skymas 160
Glanford Brigg 157
Forest King 155
Money Market 154
High Ken 152
Rag Trade 152
Tartan Ace 151
King Flame 150
Roman Bar 150
Notification 150
Drumador 150
Highway View 150
Bit Of Jig 149
London Express 149
Moonlight Escapade 149
Hidden Value 148
Golden Rapper 148
Eyecatcher 147
Ceol-Na-Mara 146
Barona 146
Churchtown Boy 146
Ernie Wiltshire 146
Perpol 146
Rubstic 145
Village Slave 145
Iceman 144
Le Robstan 144
Southern Quest 143
Prolan 143
Monfire 142
Ball Hopper 142
Jolly’s Clump 142
Merry Maker 142
Tregarron 141
Mr Midland 140
Nereo 140
Bramblestown 140
Over Charge 140
Sparkle Again 140
Black Tudor 140
Huperade 139
Colondine 139
Otter Way 138
Norwegian Flag 138
Kilmore Boy 138
Spanish Steps 137
Brown Admiral 137
Pakie 137
Gay Simon 136
Meridian II 136
Zimulator 135
Escari 135
Foresail 134
Sandwilan 133
Tudor View 132
Napoleon Brandy 132
Straight Vulgan 131
Vulgan Town 131
Just The Job 131
Spittin’ Image 130
Pelegro 130
Ballybright 130
Indian Diva 129
Thomond 126
Real Sharp 125
Boom Docker 125
Ormonde Tudor 1191975 entries
Red Rum 168
Crisp 168
The Dikler 167
Kilvulgan 161
Glanford Brigg 158
L’Escargot 157
Royal Relief 155
Clear Cut 155
High Ken 155
Argent 155
April Seventh 154
Money Market 153
Matchboard 153
Tartan Ace 152
Rough House 152
Red Candle 151
Iceman 149
Barona 148
Southern Quest 146
Proud Tarquin 144
Spanish Steps 143
Even Sail 143
Straight Vulgan 143
Even Dawn 142
Land Lark 141
Mr Midland 141
Ballyrichard Again 141
Fighting Chance 140
Rip’s Lyric 139
Drumador 139
Highland Explorer 138
Pattered 138
Castleruddery 137
Manicou Bay 136
Shaneman 135
Even Swell 135
Our Albert 135
Nereo 135
Vulgan Town 135
Stephen’s Society 134
Tubs VI 134
Charles Dickens 133
San-Feliu 133
Pakie 133
Wolverhampton 132
Spittin’ Image 132
Rag Trade 131
Glen Owen 131
Junior Partner 131
Black Tudor 131
Zimulator 131
Feel Free 131
General Symons 130
Glenkiln 130
Bum Bailiff 130
Haddon Hill 130
Meridian II 130
Rough Silk 130
Norwegian Flag 129
Tudor View 129
Deblin’s Green 128
Kilmore Boy 127
Kirtlehead 127
Beau Bob 127
Frou Frou 124
Boom Docker 124
Hally Percy 123
Dancaire 123
Mill Hay 122
Irishman 121
Ballyath 121
Lucky Edgar 120
Satanta 116
Flush Of Diamonds 1141974 entries
Red Rum 168
L’Escargot 167
Amarind 167
Argent 164
Spanish Steps 163
Royal Relief 160
Princess Camilla 158
Cuckolder 155
Red Candle 155
Rip’s Lyric 153
Barona 152
Midnight Fury 152
Quick Reply 151
The Ghost 149
Huperade 149
Straight Vulgan 148
Vulgan Town 148
Roman Holiday 147
Rough House 146
Alaska Fort 146
Nereo 146
Canharis 145
Sunny Lad 144
Gay Simon 144
Shaneman 142
Glenkiln 142
Bahia Dorada 142
Tazu 141
The Tunku 141
San-Feliu 141
Even Dawn 141
Stephen’s Society 140
Tubs VI 139
Hally Percy 139
Lucky Edgar 138
Francophile 137
Pearl Of Montreal 137
Cloudsmere 137
Bold Mariner 136
Hurricane Rock 136
Deblin’s Green 136
Rouge Autumn 135
Foreman 135
Quintus 134
Norwegian Flag 134
Escari 133
Charles Dickens 132
Frou Frou 132
Rampsman 132
Beau Bob 132
Sixer 131
Fortune Bay II 131
Culla Hill 130
Scout 129
Beggar’s Way 129
Astbury 128
Wolverhampton 128
Rough Silk 127
Orient Way 127
Ziguenor 127
Persian Lark 126
Mr Owen 126
Estoile 126
Scout Bush 125
Karacola 124
Doonbeg 124
Mill Door 123
Irish Lad 123
Top Up 123
Even Delight 122
Dunno 121
Charley Winking 120
Beau Parc 120
Go-Pontinental 1201973 entries
Crisp 168
L’Escargot 168
Dim Wit 167
Spanish Steps 167
French Tan 164
Argent 164
Arctic Bow 159
The Spaniard 157
Black Secret 156
Ballysagert 154
Jomon 151
Proud Tarquin 151
Alaska Fort 150
Huperade 150
Sea Brief 149
Grey Sombrero 149
Rigton Prince 148
Inch Arran 148
Kinloch Brae 148
Glenkiln 147
Specify 146
Mocharabuice 146
Red Rum 145
Chaou II 145
Fair Nicola 145
Prairie Dog 145
Cloudsmere 144
Macroney 143
Sunny Lad 143
Scarlet Letch 142
Canharis 141
Roman Holiday 141
Prize Fighter 141
Prophecy 141
Beggar’s Way 141
Wayward Angus 140
Scout Bush 140
Fair Vulgan 139
Petruchio’s Son 139
French Excuse 138
East Bound 137
The Pooka 137
General Symons 136
Highland Seal 136
Mr Vimy 135
Rouge Autumn 135
Deblin’s Green 135
Astbury 134
Harper’s Ferry 134
Persian Lark 134
Swan-Shot 133
Golden Guinea II 133
Charles Dickens 132
Benfro Star 131
Beau Parc 131
Ashville 130
Chacon 130
Great Noise 130
The Leap 129
Chatham 129
Tarquin Bid 129
Karacola 129
Mill Door 129
Hurricane Rock 128
Rough Silk 128
Richeleau 127
Permit 126
Princess Camilla 123
Serpentine Lad 123
Endless Folly 123
Rampsman 122
Beau Bob 122
Barona 121
Wayward Demon 121
Proud Percy 121
The Otter 121
Fortune Bay II 121
Charley Winking 121
Master Vesuvius 120
Vulgan Town 120
Red Sweeney 120
Above The Ground 120
Green Plover 120
Cnoc Dubh 119
Nereo 119
Money Boat 118
Go-Pontinental 118
Culla Hill 1181972 entries
L’Escargot 168
Master Vesuvius 168
Even Keel 164
Gay Trip 163
The Dikler 163
Border Mark 158
Black Secret 156
Happy Medium 154
Alaska Fort 153
Herring Gull 152
Specify 151
Chindigar 150
Two Springs 150
Rigton Prince 149
Twigairy 149
Macroney 148
East Bound 148
Dim Wit 147
Grey Sombrero 147
Fortina’s Palace 147
Tantalum 147
Lord Jim 146
Glending 145
King Vulgan 145
Brian’s Best 145
Charles Dickens 144
Tam Kiss 144
The Pantheon 144
Pearl Of Montreal 144
Swan-Shot 143
Money Boat 143
Ashville 142
Gyleburn 142
Rainbow Valley 142
The Inventor 142
Prairie Dog 141
Red Sweeney 141
Cardinal Error 141
Bright Willow 141
Saggart’s Choice 141
Well To Do 141
Bowgeeno 140
Old Oats 140
Glenkiln 139
Struell Park 139
Rouge Autumn 138
The Leap 137
Cnoc Dubh 137
Booster 137
Duke’s Hill 136
Deblin’s Green 135
Nephin Beg 134
Cloudsmere 133
Kellsboro’ Wood 133
General Symons 132
Benfro Star 132
Chatham 131
Wayward Demon 131
Glory Stream 131
Hurricane Lad 130
Dozo 129
Permit 128
Ashgate 128
Louis Napoleon 128
Astbury 127
Airsprite 126
Zara’s Grove 126
Lime Street 125
Just A Gamble 124
Rough Silk 123
Rampsman 123
Don’t Weaken 123
Lisnaree 122
Nom De Guerre 122
Golden Guinea II 121
Chenonceaux 121
Miss Hunter 120
Vichysoise 120
Gay Buccaneer 120
The Otter 119
Indian Yeldah 119
The Pooka 118
Bullock’s Horn 118
Flying Orb 117
Fair Vulgan 116
Beau Parc 115
Limehunter 115
This Above All 115
Even Delight 115
Vulture 114
Flosuebarb 114
Black’s Bridge 113
O’Kieve 113
Country Wedding 112My favourite horses - Red Rum, Spanish Steps, Proud Tarquin, Esban, Go-Pontinental, Barona, Charles Dickens, The Dikler, Astbury, Black Secret, Vulgan Town, Huperade, Well To Do, Crisp, Quintus, Argent, Colebridge, Pearl Of Montreal, Nereo, Sonny Somers, Tubs VI, Tartan Ace, Red Candle, L'Escargot, Bula, Beau Bob, Rouge Autumn, Rough Silk, Frodo, Deblin's Green, Prince Tino, Eyecatcher, The Pilgarlic, Captain Christy, Mr Midland, Interview II, Credit Call, My Virginian, Flush Of Diamonds, Scout, Money Ma
Ah yes, 1995, the year four of the first five in the Gold Cup lined up. And the quality of the field is supposed to have gone up since then???
Take a look at the entries and weights for the 73 National. Such was the quality that Specify only got given 10-6 to carry. Crisp and L’Escargot 12-0, Spnish Steps and Dim Wit 11-13, French Tan 11-10 etc. Even Grey Sombrero only got 10-9. Barona, remember him, 8-8!
My favourite horses - Red Rum, Spanish Steps, Proud Tarquin, Esban, Go-Pontinental, Barona, Charles Dickens, The Dikler, Astbury, Black Secret, Vulgan Town, Huperade, Well To Do, Crisp, Quintus, Argent, Colebridge, Pearl Of Montreal, Nereo, Sonny Somers, Tubs VI, Tartan Ace, Red Candle, L'Escargot, Bula, Beau Bob, Rouge Autumn, Rough Silk, Frodo, Deblin's Green, Prince Tino, Eyecatcher, The Pilgarlic, Captain Christy, Mr Midland, Interview II, Credit Call, My Virginian, Flush Of Diamonds, Scout, Money Ma
Ah yes, 1995, the year four of the first five in the Gold Cup lined up. And the quality of the field is supposed to have gone up since then???
Take a look at the entries and weights for the 73 National. Such was the quality that Specify only got given 10-6 to carry. Crisp and L’Escargot 12-0, Spnish Steps and Dim Wit 11-13, French Tan 11-10 etc. Even Grey Sombrero only got 10-9. Barona, remember him, 8-8!
Great work Nafsasp where on earth did you pull those entry list from ,what a joy to read through them
Just a bit of Trivia but Wayward Demon in the 73 entries was sold at the sales just before the national only for it having to be withdrawn due to not being qualified ! You think the powers that be would have picked up on that at the weights stage.
Have hazy memories of a few that OA highlighted.
Timmie`s Battle was a good hunter chaser trained by W A Stephenson.
Think he was placed in the Aintree Foxhunters and it may have been the year Nicky Henderson was aboard the winner (Happy Warrior?)Cantabet was from the same stable, owned by a professional punter called Joe Lisle.Was one for the minor northern tracks I think.
I associate Notification with Martin Tate and think he won his share.
I`m sure I can remember Toby Balding giving a very full answer to BBC TV about why Vulgan Town had to miss the race but assured us he`d be back next year. Not so sure he was though.
Well done everyone on the source material.
Will have to scan Nafsasps lists when I`ve a few minutes
Years ago I was looking for the weights pre 1990, and decided easiest way was just to trawl through Times microfiches at local library, they always published weights. Have most of them back to 1950. missing 1959 and 1961.
My favourite horses - Red Rum, Spanish Steps, Proud Tarquin, Esban, Go-Pontinental, Barona, Charles Dickens, The Dikler, Astbury, Black Secret, Vulgan Town, Huperade, Well To Do, Crisp, Quintus, Argent, Colebridge, Pearl Of Montreal, Nereo, Sonny Somers, Tubs VI, Tartan Ace, Red Candle, L'Escargot, Bula, Beau Bob, Rouge Autumn, Rough Silk, Frodo, Deblin's Green, Prince Tino, Eyecatcher, The Pilgarlic, Captain Christy, Mr Midland, Interview II, Credit Call, My Virginian, Flush Of Diamonds, Scout, Money Ma
Years ago I was looking for the weights pre 1990, and decided easiest way was just to trawl through Times microfiches at local library, they always published weights. Have most of them back to 1950. missing 1959 and 1961.
Any chance of a few more lists 80’s through to 79 if you`ve got them .
Cheers Graham
Graham
Sorry, been hard at work for last week or so,busy period for weddings etc, will post up 80’s weights etc next week after National over.
My favourite horses - Red Rum, Spanish Steps, Proud Tarquin, Esban, Go-Pontinental, Barona, Charles Dickens, The Dikler, Astbury, Black Secret, Vulgan Town, Huperade, Well To Do, Crisp, Quintus, Argent, Colebridge, Pearl Of Montreal, Nereo, Sonny Somers, Tubs VI, Tartan Ace, Red Candle, L'Escargot, Bula, Beau Bob, Rouge Autumn, Rough Silk, Frodo, Deblin's Green, Prince Tino, Eyecatcher, The Pilgarlic, Captain Christy, Mr Midland, Interview II, Credit Call, My Virginian, Flush Of Diamonds, Scout, Money Ma
Graham
Sorry, been hard at work for last week or so,busy period for weddings etc, will post up 80’s weights etc next week after National over.
That would be brilliant ,many thanks.
Forgot to say thanks to Nafsasp and I look forward to any more you can come up with. The ones upthread made some interesting reading. Uncle Bing rated higher than the previous season’s Gold Cup winner? I know he was slated to run in the postponed 78 Gold Cup and subsequently won a Topham, but what did he do to rate so highly? Same for Shifting Gold.
A week or so back I found in the online archive a newspapers sweepstake kit for the 83 race, which included a few that did not ultimately line up. I may have forgotten a couple here as it goes, but the once springing to mind are…
Ashley House – we all know him
My Buck/Duck – poor print quality, wasn’t sure which it was. Neither name is familiar.
Secret Progress – ran in a Gold Cup, otherwise, don’t remember anything.
Ramyraja – am taking a guess at the spelling there, it was something like that. Again, no recollections.Forgot to say thanks to Nafsasp and I look forward to any more you can come up with. The ones upthread made some interesting reading. Uncle Bing rated higher than the previous season’s Gold Cup winner? I know he was slated to run in the postponed 78 Gold Cup and subsequently won a Topham, but what did he do to rate so highly? Same for Shifting Gold.
A week or so back I found in the online archive a newspapers sweepstake kit for the 83 race, which included a few that did not ultimately line up. I may have forgotten a couple here as it goes, but the once springing to mind are…
Ashley House – we all know him
My Buck/Duck – poor print quality, wasn’t sure which it was. Neither name is familiar.
Secret Progress – ran in a Gold Cup, otherwise, don’t remember anything.
Ramyraja – am taking a guess at the spelling there, it was something like that. Again, no recollections.If i remember rightly My Buck was trained by Micheal Dickinson but sold a few weeks before the race to a Peter Clarke.
Funny how the Dickinson factor had the handicappers flapping ,My buck was one of the higher rated horses in the `83 national but had dropped at least a couple of stones the year later when entered by his new connections.
Secret Progress and Ramrajya were both trained by Micheal Hourigan i think.I remember Bob Davies being a little critical of MD for withdrawing Ashley House due to the softening ground . He was being interviewed by someone on the Beeb and i can remember that he couldn`t understand him not running as he was on form "after all there is only one national" was a comment i remember.
Since we’re reminiscing about late 70s/early 80s Nationals :
Some kind soul uploaded some footage of Ben Nevis II’s wins in the 1977 and 1978 Maryland Hunt Cups. No sound, but given how difficult it is to find video of American jumps races pre-1990s this is pure gold. He won the 1980 Grand National as 12yo with a handicap of 12-10-3 and 12 consecutive losses in England leading up to the race. "Big Ben" was however an undefeated timber horse – with 12 consecutive
wins
!
1977 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb7UtBuuBfI
1978 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5aOm1uaJigAnd his Hall of Fame induction video! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do02IiqLink
With the Grand National entries due in about a week thought we could revisit this thread ,if anyone has entry list from 1979 right through to 1999 would be good to see them .
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