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I accidently ticked "Notify me when a reply is posted"
Just checked my e-mails and my inbox is now overflowing!
This is pretty pointless now, we all know Deep Sensation will always beat Joncol although the longer this goes on, the race will get closer and Joncols stamina may come into play.
Obler,
I think Joncol did what he set out to do & that’s get a lot of attention. I’ve played up to it by pointing out logistics to him. His response was to say that my opinions belong in the looney bin.
It’s been an unfortunate turn of events at Newbury today and the story is sensational for the news channels & papers & sad that racing is the main story for the wrong reasons (again).
However, 7 healthy horses ran the 1st race after much confusion from the parade ring events. They were checked by qualified vets & all bar one of them have shown no ill effects from the race (how many horses finish NH races distressed?)
Joncol believes that racing is a cruel sport & he no longer wishes to watch it. That is his right. I don’t think he needs to make the same point over & over again. If racing truly disgusts him, he can walk away from it. He chose to post for over 10 hours!
Ghost, I think he is loving the attention. Probably the first time the sad little man has had any.
We should play a guessing game & guess Joncol marital status and job.
I’m going for single & traffic warden.
I think nail and head
Robert Gibbs – I did exactly the same with the notify option. I was going out for the night but wanted to know if anymore information came to light. Im not going through 19 pages to find out though, will read up in the morning.
My opinion from earlier in the thread still stands in that I dont think the first race should have been run due to the uncertainty of what had happened. I apologise if something has come to light, like I say i have not read through.
It must have been very busy around the paddock for the first race and awful for everyone involved.
A very sad day for racing.
Martin
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Could the owners of Fenix Two and Marching Song possibly get any sort of compensation out of this? ok we look after the punters by giving them a refund but there is a lot of people going home very depleated who are connected to the two fatalitys, is sorry and apologies enough justification to say lets move on "this is horse racing" yes this is horse racing but owners deserve some sort of protection from racecourse inability and liabilities even if unintentional.
For me the the meeting shouldn’t be arranged but the prize money of the last 6 races should be combined and split between the two connections as some sort of relief, it’s too close to Cheltenham now so a re-arranged meeting wouldn’t really be of any benefit.
It’s just too hard for an owner to accept "that’s horse racing" ok you expect a bad fall in your life time but not something like this.
Could the owners of Fenix Two and Marching Song possibly get any sort of compensation out of this?
Do you think they’d pay thousands of pounds to purchase the animals, then thousands of pounds in training fees, vets fees, etc., without taking out insurance? Do you think any racecourse could operate without appropriate public liability insurance? I really think your last post contributes absolutely nothing to the subject but add more unwanted noise and draws attention to yourself.
When the incident happened yesterday, it was immediately obvious that the problem happened in an isolated area, the area should be cordoned off and not used till completely safe again. Racing could easily have continued yesterday by bypassing the rather pointless parade ring charade in any case. I’ve been at sports events where people (spectators) have died or been taken away by ambulance, but where do you draw the line? I’m in no way trying to belittle the effects of yesterday’s
After the events in Australia where eejits like joncollymore managed to ban NH racing, we need to be on our guard to avoid such an unnecessary steps ever happening over here. Cancelling the racing drew the sport onto the front pages and onto the main news bulletins. Two horses, Glencove Marina and Money Trix, died after the big race in more damaging and cruel circumstances if anyone wished to look at the situation in those terms. People need to be careful what they wish for joncollymore and Mr. W.
I also read that they were checking the water supply and all cctv cameras in the area. I do wonder if the unusual weather we’ve had this winter could have caused problems? An accident is often the result of a ‘series of unlikely events’, and perhaps it may take a while to find out what happened today.
Something of an unfortunate coincidence, but a pal of mine who works for NPower told me recently that severe frost does not just damage water mains/pipes but can also damage gas and electric mains.
Unlike frozen water which damages pipes from the ‘inside out’ the damage to the other Utilities’ infrastructure occurs from the ‘outside in’ due to the expansion of surrounding frozen soil around the mains followed by the contraction when it thaws
The resulting (quite small) movement of the mains is in some cases sufficient to cause leakage due to fracturing or just hairline cracking of the insulating pipes and/or cabling
Like burst water pipes, problems only become evident once the frost has thawed
NPower’s contractors have been quite busy checking and fixing I was told
A more apparent manifestation of this ground movement during and after freezing is damage to tarmac. The potholes we now have countrywide on our roads tend to result from a subtle lifting of the surface from below which cracks the tarmac; then road vehicles, snow ploughs, air frost and rain proceed to break up the cracked surface completely
While pedestrians trip on lifted and now-wobbly paving slabs
the price of frost?
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whoopee! top of page 20 after less than 24 hours. Is this a record?
Not very often I contribute things like this.
but I think this nonsense is in danger of bringing our forum into disrepute. After going to Newbury yesterday, I thought I’d look in to get a bit of measured opinion from others.
There was a lot of shell-shocked people there, & some others that you really had to feel for, they were clearly very upset by it all.
The tone & the ignorance of most of this thread is just wrong.
I must agree with the previous two posters. It appears to have been a tragic accident and some of the drivel spouted (prior to any facts being known – mainly by Joncol) puts the forum at risk of new internet advertising regulations.
I think calling this "Intelligent Discussion" when most of the posts have contained anything but is pushing the boundaries.
I appreciate it is a very emotional subject but posters should concentrate purely on the facts and not be making unfounded accusations. I feel sorry for Cormack but hey I suppose every forum has a few Joncols!In order to allow other people to be able to contribute to this topic without being subjected further to Joncol’s increasingly inane ripostes I’ve deactivated his account for the time being.
20 pages too late for some I know and I have some sympathy with that view.
lol, thanks Cormack.
Sorry I contributed quite a lot to Joncol’s ramblings too. I just found it fun to put logical arguments to his hissy fit.
I think he wanted us to pat him on the back and say well done for posting that racing should be abandoned before the first race.
Disagree with the above three post. (above to the two posts above
)Imv, when seasoned journalist such as Alistair Down and Cornelius Lysaght describe the incident in terms of the most ‘horrific scene’ they have witnessed on a racecourse, Rupert Bell as ‘gruesome’ and the trainer Nicky Henderson (on the radio this morning) ‘as the most traumatic five minutes you could ever go thru [at the races]….’
If people on this forum wish to react in an emotional way they should (within the rules of the forum) feel free to do so. Of course, upon later reflection emotion may give way to a more reasoned response but it all adds to the debate.
Also, according to Henderson this morning, it seems the most likely cause is an underground electric cable that was believed to have been disconnected in 1992 but has somehow become live during recent works.
Pompete,
Joncol posted the same thing for 10 hours yesterday. "Racing in cruel" "they shouldn’t have ran the 1st race" "I’m not going to watch a cruel sport anymore" "I’m not going to post on this thread anymore" waaaaaaa waaaaaaa
I think he had plenty of time to get over his emotion!
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