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    Richard88
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    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/aug/21/gps-could-prescribe-money-off-energy-bills-under-treasury-plan

    I would say they’ve lost the plot but I’m not sure they ever had it in the first place.

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    Are GPs going to be paid danger money as well? I can see them being assaulted if they don’t sign off someone with financial struggles… or even those who aren’t desperate but just want to save money.

    Bonkers idea.

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    Not only does this government want to directly help the poor, it wants to means test any help and hive off responsibility for who gets it to the nation’s GPS.

    It’s a cracking idea – dentists deciding which asylum seekers to allow into the country is surely next.

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    How can it work when it’s impossible to get a doctors appointment? And that’s going to get worse as there’s a cap on the number of people that can train to be a doctor so people are being turned away. What was all that stuff on the bus about money going to the NHS?

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    It’s all about “The Truss Bus” now, Moehat.

    She’s the Stagecoach of politics.

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    Labour now odds-on to win most seats in the next general election.

    Value Is Everything
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    Time to back the Tories then, Ginge.

    After all, value (and the stupidity of the general public) is everything.

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    Gladders, I think the last time Labour had this big an Opinion poll lead, the Tories still won the next Election.

    Well over two years to go as yet – a lot could and will happen.

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    A lot of this Truss rhetoric may play well with the Tory galleries but the wider electorate will be different story. She’s recently called the whole country lazy, and Rees Mogg doubled down on it. Labour are I hope saving all this sort of stuff for a rainy day.

    She’ll have to face the interviewers at some point too, she can duck them now but can’t run forever and the likes of Neil will slaughter her all the more for it.

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    She is definitely the candidate Labour most want to face, as stated previously, but never underestimate the ability of those to the left of the Labour Leader within the Party to try to put that three-yard tap in over the bar, with the MSM focussing on that.

    Labour just about deserve to be odds-on for most seats now – or rather the Tories deserve to be odds against – but this five-year term is like the Cesarewitch and they’ve only just reached the Rowley Mile start.

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    ‘…but never underestimate the ability of those to the left of the Labour Leader within the Party to try to put that three-yard tap in over the bar, with the MSM focussing on that.’

    Absolutely. ‘He’s too much like Tony ‘Three Elections’ Blair’ they scream.

    I assume Owen Jones still wants a perpetual Tory government? Haven’t read his stuff for a while becuase he clearly just wants Labour to be in opposition.

    I will add that I’ve never voted Labour although will happily do so if they are best placed to unseat the Tory in my constituency. Since last time I’ve moved from a ‘bet your mortgage on them’ seat to ‘we’ve got a chance here’. Being the westcountry, it may well be a Lib Dem that has that chance.

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    Those of us who are broadly in the centre, but definitely not to the right of it, have long privately deplored the likes of Owen Jones, who couldn’t do more to aid perpetual Tory rule if he was funded by them.

    I recall on election night 1997 my Independent sports desk colleague Dick Weatherall, a life-long Labour centrist, saying: “I don’t care how moderate Blair is – if he does literally nothing in office he still will have arrested the drift to the right this last 18 years since 1979.”

    Anyone who thinks Starmer is the same as a Tory government – particularly THIS Tory government – wants sectioning.

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    Sunak getting more and more desperate now, he’s pulled out the lockdown aftertiming. He’s in his metaphorical bunker with a metaphorical revolver at the stage*.

    I guess he’ll see this parliament out but surely he’ll shuffle off into the sunset with his billions after this.

    *Metaphorical, I hope he doesn’t actually harm himself.

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    Once there’s a result, the Tories really will appear to unite behind the new PM.

    But it might not help them this time as the media and opposition won’t let them forget what they’ve said about themselves in easily the most toxic UK Party leadership contest in my lifetime.

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    “Sunak getting more and more desperate now, he’s pulled out the lockdown aftertiming.”

    Particularly annoying for those amongst us who were not after timers.

    If Sunak genuinely thought the policy was wrong and damaging, he should have resigned and called out the whole situation. Instead he carried on signing the cheques with money we did not have. And then there was his ludicrous Eat Out To Help Out scheme as well.

    It is not credible for him to say he opposed it all now when he is not going to win the leadership election and has nothing to lose.

    Not resigning over a point of principle but eventually quitting when he thought it might help him get Johnson’s job is not a good look. It makes look even more like an unprincipled chancer than he already did, if that is possible.

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    I’m trying to remember the last time a Cabinet Minister of any Party resigned on a point of principle.

    I agree with CAS.

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    I can think of two examples:

    Lord Carrington resigned over the Argentinian invasion of the Falklands, reasoning that the Foreign Secretary ought to carry the can.

    No one really held Carrington personally responsible but he won respect across the political spectrum for his principled stance.

    Robin Cook also resigned as Foreign Secretary, this time over the Iraq War. He was not prepared to defend a policy he thought was wrong.

    I cannot think of anyone since, certainly not from one of the important Cabinet posts.

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