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The case for Rio de La Plata isn;t made on what he did in Paris. It’s on what he did against the pace bias in the National Stakes. I’ll be surprised if time shows that New Approach is 5 lb better than the Godolphin horse.
The case for Rio de La Plata isn;t made on what he did in Paris. It’s on what he did against the pace bias in the National Stakes. I’ll be surprised if time shows that New Approach is 5 lb better than the Godolphin horse.
DJ,
How do you rate Raven’s pass alongside these 2?
I think a number of unexposed types such as Moynahan and Fast Company should not be written off either.
Absolutely fantastic renewal.
Andrew
Rio de la plata beat a load of donkeys in Paris, I was there myself, of course he looked good but the real form is in the Phoneix stakes
I’m not sure Saoirse Abu would beat any of these?!
Sorry, couldn’t resist..I don’t think rio de la plata will get past new approach.. If you watch the national stakes again he picks up again when Rio comes at him.
Whatever wins this will be a solid favourite for the guineas unless there is a hard luck story like HRE last year..
I’m still keen on Johnston’s horse for some reason.. Fast Company is unexposed as well… Roll on saturday – I can’t wait!!
Ravens Pass isn’t the easiest to evaluate but he was very impressive in a very fast time at Sandown and the form was hardly let down in the Royal Lodge. I would estimate that Raven’s Pass’ form at present is somewhere between what New Approach and Rio de la Plata have achieved.
Not the easiest race to evaluate by any means.
New Approach – was his win in the National Stake largely down to the slow pace, and RDLP coming from so far off a slow pace? Is his temperament potentially hazardous to his chances?
Ravens Pass – often wide margin successes in Juvenile races can be misleading (Celtic Swing), though the time augurs well for trusting the performance. Also, he is unproven on anything softer than good.
Rio de la Plata – was he really unlucky in the National Stakes, and a case could be made for saying the impression he created coming from behind was visually flatterring? On the other hand, I believe he was snatched up early, and a barging match trying to get out didn’t help. Plus, coming from so far back in a Group 1 off such a slow pace is the sign of an exceptional colt.
Not sure he is still improving for all he didn’t need to to win at Longchamp, and he would not want it to be softer than good to soft.
McCartney is interesting, although the knock River Proud took (if you take that as the reason behind his poor run) in the Champagne Stakes takes away the solid yardstick from that race.
Hard to weigh up .. care to dispell any of the above concerns?
I’ll be surprised if time shows that New Approach is 5 lb better than the Godolphin horse.
I’ll be surprised if there 5lb between them on October 20th
Who is saying there is 5 pounds between them?
Where have i stated someone stated this that or other?????
Read the fecking post before sticking your oar in
EW,
Do you have issues of some sort?
DJ said he would be surprised if time showed 5 lbs between NA and RDLP. I simply asked who, ie what organisation – Timeform, etc – rated 5 lbs between the pair (as that’s what I believed his post alluded to .. a rating difference).
I suggest you apologise.
Regards,
Andrewand here, FYI, these guys reckon there’s 5lb between
Top 10 Two Year Olds
125p NEW APPROACH J S Bolger, Ireland
125p RAVEN’S PASS J H M Gosden
123 KINGSGATE NATIVE J R Best
120p RIO DE LA PLATA Saeed bin SuroorThat would have sufficed instead of your initial response.
Look forward to hearing how you misintrepreted an innocuous comment as my post above.
Regards,
AndrewEW,
Do you have issues of some sort?
DJ said he would be surprised if time showed 5 lbs between NA and RDLP. I simply asked who, ie what organisation – Timeform, etc – rated 5 lbs between the pair (as that’s what I believed his post alluded to .. a rating difference).
I suggest you apologise.
Regards,
AndrewOnly issue i have, is people putting their own spin on what i write, which seems to happen a lot for some reason on here and elsewhere,
However, If you were referring to DJ’s post and asking "who" then i do apologize, but if you were referring to my post then i’m afraid i don’t
maybe it would be better if i kept my thoughts to myself to avoid any confusion
Even if I was referring to your post, which i wasn’t, where is the ‘spin’, as you put it?
Try not to be sensitive about something that’s not there.
Would be interested in hearing your opinion on the race, and leave this little thing behind.
Andrew
EW
That’s sort of the point I was getting at. New Approach had a length and three quarters to spare over Rio de La Plata at the Curragh (approx 5 lb) I think he’ll get closer. Couldn;t be confident he’d reverse the form though.
C’mon lads, shake hands and bring this thread back on track.
Salselon
After less than a handful of starts, I think all of 3 big three are lighlty raced enough to prove capable of better. I don’t think that Rio de la Plata improved last time, though moreso because of the way he was ridden in a below-par race rather than because he’s shown his all.
I think its a no bet but must watch race, arguably the race of the season. Bubbles to be burst, the unknown factor and a potential superstar to be born. Imagine if a horse wins this by three or four lengths. It looks a great race on paper easily on a par with last years, I’m just hoping the event lives up to the billing.
Dettori, if he has any sort of sense about him will sit closer to the pace than he did in the National Stakes then we’ll see if Rio De La Plata has the speed to pick up and beat the field. I think he’s a good horse but was beaten on merit in Ireland and I don’t expect him to win on Saturday though it would hardly be a shock if he did.
Fast Company, McCartney, New Approach, Ravens Pass – could be absolutely anything.
Sorry, couldn’t resist..
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