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Further proof if any were needed that Ballydoyle jockeys ride exactly to instructions. I cant believe any jockey in his right mind acting independantly would set off at 38mph over a 2 mile trip and expect to last home.
Great finish, unlucky Mr Cumani.
I saw it before at the BC.Coolmore jockeys riding like robots.Where are the tactics ,the creativity, the genius of jockeymanship? No clock in their head?They were swallowed up like Noah, by the field.They in effect took themselves out of the real race for when it started they were finished.Bad tactics, leadership, result.Pathetic.
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Further proof if any were needed that Ballydoyle jockeys ride exactly to instructions.
Seems that they weren’t too clear what to do mid-race, when they were isolated from the field by 5/6l; you could almost hear the three of them discussing what to do next?
Seems that they weren’t too clear what to do mid-race, when they were isolated from the field by 5/6l; you could almost hear the three of them discussing what to do next?
Good to see the sporting Bart Cummings winning again. He loves the thrill of the international competition.
Good to see the sporting Bart Cummings winning again. He loves the thrill of the international competition.
Ive never seen anyone as unexcited about winning a big race as that.Q- This must be very emotional Mr Cummings?
A- No, its just another win.
Think the interviewer was stuck from then on as he hadnt planned on him saying that.
A good race, thought coolmore were suicidal from the front, but C’est La vie.
What were the ten tenors all about butchering the theme tune from dances with wolves before the off.
"The Ballydoyle team was later called into the stewards’ room to give evidence over jockey Wayne Lordan’s ride on Alessandro Volta, the only one of the three not to be found by vets to have pulled up lame. No sanctions were imposed." Sporting Life.
What does that mean?Good to see the sporting Bart Cummings winning again. He loves the thrill of the international competition.
Yeah, he sure does show the European raiders hospitality…..
Don’t see old Bart visiting these shores much with his charges.
I read that Luca Cumani has been buttering him up by suggesting that he ( Bart Cummings ) could probably be the best trainer ever.
Yes Dr V O’Brien, you have a good old chuckle to yourself.
The fact is that the antipodean runners have a distinct advantage in this race. Apart from the very odd exception, it is more or less a given that an Aussie or New Zealand horse will carry off this glorified handicap.
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I’ll try and make the case which comes across as pure xenophobia from Cummings.The conditions of the race require that your qualifying form takes place in the proceeding twelve months.Given the derth of opportunities that count for both prizemoney and distance requirements this in essence means a horse needs to perform in two preparations within a calendar year.This years winner has been on the go for more than twelve months with a let up in the depths of midwinter after qualifying over 2 miles in the Brisbane Cup on a rain affected surface.The let up could at most have been 4 weeks.Contrast that with the multiple big pots in Europe,both handicap,listed and group that meet distance and stake won requirements.You also have the luxury of laying a horse out at the start of European campaign,progressing forward to the ultimate goal all in one preparation.It would appear that the last two winners belie the notion that the winner is a horse with current form,but the staying program is such a dog’s breakfast in Australia that many horses needing a run do so in races with unsuitable conditins.So if you were Cummings and getting a start is as hard as the race itself you too may feel frustrated.
Coversely, I thought they went too slow – too may horses still runnning on at the end.
How unlucky is Luca Cumani? A fast finishing 2nd again with Bauer, and beaten by the the proverbial cig-paper.
Great race though!Me too Reet.
AOB team’s biggest weakness is a nil understanding of pace shape in a race. Septimus is a dour stayer without any finishing speed so the AOB tactics were correct in principle but for the tactics to work he needed fast ground horses in Melbourne.
The trio needed to get far further ahead (by 3-4 seconds, not 1 second) at the turn to have any chance of not getting caught and passed by closing fast ground horses at their peak.
JM rode consistent sections but his horse was just a little too quick to get to the front after the first furlong (3 consecutive sub 12 second "furlongs") – he plugged away, slightly faster, right until the last quarter but simply did not have the extra speed to finish competitively:18.70 [14] 11.53 [ 2] 11.22 [ 3]
11.51 [ 1] 12.09 [ 2] 13.01 [ 3]
13.01 [ 3] 13.09 [ 2] 12.95 [ 2]
12.89 [ 2] 12.93 [ 2] 12.58 [ 2]
12.13 [ 7] 12.39 [17] 14.08 [18]It is interesting to actually compare what pace shape the winner Viewed took. Viewed made a fast good position break from the stalls then eased back and held (with 3 competitive sub 12 second "furlongs") into a sheltered but also handy position that is needed on fast ground. From cruising, Viewed gently increased momentum with just enough juice left to produce 4 devastating sub 12 second finishing "furlongs" at a time when Septimus was still grinding out 12-13 second furlongs exposed into the wind burn and appearing to be going backwards, relatively speaking:
18.18 [ 2] 11.92 [ 7] 11.46 [ 9]
11.76 [ 9] 12.22 [ 9] 13.04 [ 9]
13.29 [ 9] 13.17 [ 9] 12.87 [ 8]
12.59 [ 8] 12.45 [ 8] 11.86 [ 5]
11.59 [ 1] 11.24 [ 1] 11.91 [ 1]Bauer did not get up close enough, early enough – if he had with these final 4f sectionals, (16th to 2nd) he would have won. Viewed "only" had to go from 8th to 1st.
11.57 [16] 11.39 [ 6] 11.14 [ 2]
11.66 [ 2]A cracking race and well done to Bart Cummings, not bad for a bloke who is coming up to 81 to train a Group One winner.
Also well done to the Aussies, they know how to put on a grand show for the world to see, Although give me the Cheltenham Roar anyday.
So it seems that Aidan O’Brien might think twice about returning again.
He’s lost plenty of followers after yesterday – some saying he brought the race into disrepute.
I for one think it’s pretty awful.
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Thanks Robert – if only for the confirmation that I’m not completely daft.
Fascinating figures, and they do show that what many considered as a suicidal pace was nothing of the sort, and the principals were able to increase their speed in the latter sections of the race.
Would you consider it a possibility that the AoB team were undone by riding the race at a ‘British’ pace, rather than one appropriate to the circumstances?
The reason I ask is that the turf in Australia seems to be so much faster than ours; witness not only the fact that ground called ‘good’ yesterday was considered bordering on unsafe by Coolmore, but also the much faster straight-course times achieved by their sprinters in that country as opposed to this.
Certainly a case, one would think, for them to use local jockeys in future?Plenty of us were overly stunned that O’Brien opted not for a Stephen Baster or Craig Williams etc etc
So it seems that Aidan O’Brien might think twice about returning again.
He’s lost plenty of followers after yesterday – some saying he brought the race into disrepute.
I for one think it’s pretty awful.
Why has he lost "plenty of followers"?
What exactly has he done wrong?
What do you think is "pretty awful"- the fact that 2 of his horses finished lame? Is that his fault?
The only thing he did wrong for me is to bring the wrong horses and give the wrong instructions, but to suggest he brought the race into disrepute? Crazy stuff.So it seems that Aidan O’Brien might think twice about returning again.
He’s lost plenty of followers after yesterday – some saying he brought the race into disrepute.
I for one think it’s pretty awful.
This is such a poor, poor post to be embarassing …
Are you really a racing journalist or are you telling porkies?
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