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- November 19, 2010 at 21:38 #16809
A fascinating race indeed A Champion 2 miler who may well be pushing his stamina against a champion 21/2miler who needs good ground! Not a betting race for me but i will watch with interest!
November 19, 2010 at 22:22 #328738
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With the ground being no worse than good and nothing to force the pace, Masterminded may well last home tomorrow, though he went out like at light at Aintree with conditions slightly less in his favour.
November 19, 2010 at 22:25 #328739Master Minded is one to keep on the WRONG side for me.
November 19, 2010 at 22:27 #328740With the ground being no worse than good and nothing to force the pace,
That would make
Albertas run
look like a good thing then reet seeing how he needs good ground and can force the pace!
November 19, 2010 at 22:30 #328741
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Doubt he’s fit enough, TAPK, based on his last run.
Corm
What happened to the OP on this thread?
November 19, 2010 at 22:36 #328742Master who?
November 19, 2010 at 22:40 #328743
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If Master Minded is fit, which I assume he will be, he wins.
November 19, 2010 at 23:00 #328748Albertas without a doubt for me at the prices!
MM certainly wasn’t the same horse last year as the year before with that injury and I can’t get out of my mind the incredible turnaround with Voy Por Ustedes from winning hard held by 20 lengths over 2 miles at Cheltenham to getting destroyed by the same horse at Aintree over 4f further.
With a doubt in my mind over MM being as effective over the longer trip (nothing to say he will be) and a couple of poorer efforts last season after the rib injury, Albertas is a no brainer for me…
November 19, 2010 at 23:03 #328749
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Master Minded has since had a wind operation, hasn’t he? I seem to remember Paul Nicholls saying that that would likely have a more marked effect on him than the absence of any injury.
November 19, 2010 at 23:20 #328751Is there any horse in Nicholls’ yard that hasn’t had a wind operation at some stage?
I can’t have Master Minded at all this season. He may well win tomorrow – Albertas Run is the only creditable opponent and he’s inconsistent. I can’t have him on my mind for the likes of the Tingle Creek and the Champion Chase though. He looks like a horse that isn’t putting in 100% anymore and he’ll struggle to win races if he comes off the bridle.
November 20, 2010 at 00:36 #328763Alternative could be Imsingingtheblues. he ran pretty well until falling at Aintree and the main two cut each others throats then he may well benefit.
MM is the best horse but the trip is still unknown although he is classier than Albertas Run.
A good race to watch as opposed to have a bet for me.
November 20, 2010 at 02:48 #328775Albertas Run is the only creditable opponent and he’s inconsistent.
Most certainly
not
inconsistent when the ground’s in his favour.
He’ll do for me.November 20, 2010 at 03:16 #328776
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Master Minded is one to keep on the WRONG side for me.
This are fact, I know because of my learnings.
November 20, 2010 at 03:17 #328777
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Is there any horse in Nicholls’ yard that hasn’t had a wind operation at some stage?
I can’t have Master Minded at all this season. He may well win tomorrow – Albertas Run is the only creditable opponent and he’s inconsistent. I can’t have him on my mind for the likes of the Tingle Creek and the Champion Chase though. He looks like a horse that isn’t putting in 100% anymore and he’ll struggle to win races if he comes off the bridle.
If Twist Magic turns up he’ll ruin them all in the Tingle Creek.
November 20, 2010 at 08:51 #328788I think I must’ve had the last of the 5/2 about Albertas at Hills.
The going and the trip will suit him better. Simple as.
BlueSky @pghenn.bsky.social
So don't run, just like the others always do
November 20, 2010 at 09:27 #328790At odds-against (currently) this may well be the time to bet Master Minded. History is littered with horses who follow spectacular seasons with – in MM’s case – a less spectacular season (the bare figures last year are still damn good) and it’s worth remembering his top runs were achieved while only a 5-6yo i.e. shortly after gaining maturity
Too much supposition for my liking really but having had a wind operation I suspect the trip will not be a problem now. To my eyes the notion he may be a ‘short runner’ stamina-wise based on last year’s capitulations did appear more likely to be caused by a respiritory ailment based on change in head-carriage.
He did after all finish second at Auteuil over 20f on soft ground as a 4yo
A course winner (majestically so) over 17f at Ascot on his last appearance at the track
Neither a touch above Evs MM and a touch above 2/1 Albertas Run makes much appeal to me but if forced at those odds I’d rather back MM than AR
Will we be hearing the rather familiar ‘is back to his best following a summer off and wind operation’ ‘in hindsight evens a dual Champion Chase winner was a great bet’ ‘great training performance from Paul Nicholls’?

Nice race
November 20, 2010 at 09:34 #328792Is there any horse in Nicholls’ yard that hasn’t had a wind operation at some stage?
I can’t have Master Minded at all this season. He may well win tomorrow – Albertas Run is the only creditable opponent and he’s inconsistent. I can’t have him on my mind for the likes of the Tingle Creek and the Champion Chase though. He looks like a horse that isn’t putting in 100% anymore and he’ll struggle to win races if he comes off the bridle.
I agree with you IC.
I said on another thread a little while back, that Master Minded isn’t the same horse as he was, and he won’t see which way Big Zeb goes, at Cheltenham, if they both run in the Champion Chase again this season.
Master Minded just isn’t the horse he ocne was, and simply doesn’t have the speed to get away from his rivals like he did when he trounced Voy Por at Cheltenham a few years back, before beating Well Chief a year later.
He has been a very impressive horse when on top form and his Tingle Creek victory in 2008 was a fantastic round of jumping and that win almost is up there, in terms of my own best memories of the horse, with his Champion Chase win of 2008.
However, he is now there to take on.
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