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I do follow racing and Tony Culhane was punished and lost his livelihood for a year. It is completely irresponsible imo for people to keep referring back to his past, for which he was duly punished, as this may adversely effect his prospects of rebuilding his career. He has a family and surely their best interests also merit due consideration?
Firefox, let’s say you owned a shop, and I worked there.
And let’s say I was caught stealing from the till, and banged up for a year.
And let’s say I came back to you upon my release, and asked for my old job back.
Would it be completely irresponsible of you to keep referring back to my previous misdemeanour, for which I was duly punished? Would you think of my family, and take their best interests into consideration?
Or would you consider me a thief, and tell me go hoist myself?
PS. No idea what Culhane did or didn’t do – just interested in the theory that all sins should be absolved, simply because time has been served. As far as I can tell, if racing’s door was to be closed to him, Culhane is at liberty (pardon the pun) to pursue any career he sees fit – from dealing burgers off the sleeve in his local McDonald’s, to retraining as a brain surgeon. The suggestion that riding racehorses is all he can do to earn a living, is complete baloney.
Grasshopper suggest you familiarise yourself with the facts of Tony Culhane’s case before you post up wholly irrelevant analogies.
Firefox, suggest you read the bit that says “No idea what Culhane did or didn’t do – just interested in the theory that all sins should be absolved, simply because time has been served” before you post-up wholly irrelevant responses.
Apologies for the flippancy, firefox, but I thought I’d made it quite clear in my post I was interested in your take on justice and rehabilitation, rather than anything Culhane was involved in.
As far as he or any other Flat jockey goes, I am about as interested as a man who has lost his wife’s hat.
Firefox, in case you hadn’t noticed, five pages back this thread was about Lydia Hislop’s whereabouts. It took a recent turn to the "plight of Tony Culhane", and I have taken it in another direction.
It is not "wholly inappropriate" for me to do this, because threads aren’t the possession of any one individual, often meander off topic, and it was you yourself who brought up the subject of ‘rough justice’.
I humbly suggest you get over yourself.
Meh – maybe you’re right.
PS. As well as being a ‘Moderator’, I’m also a ‘Capricorn’. For the record, neither affords me any particular insight, and I take my moderation duties, about as seriously as I do my horoscope. I hope this clarifies my position.
"…………..since she apparently went AWOL at the Times………….."
Careful, firefox…………where did you get that impression from?
I don’t think that that has been suggested by anyone.
Colin
I believe LH, GW, and PH ( who did a brilliant piece on the handicap system some years back) are very good journalists and we need more like them.
Since the trial on Fallon etc. collapsed through lack of evidence there is now a "free for all". ‘They’ think they are untouchable. The racing authorities are regarded with disdain and considered to be too frightened to do anything more with regard to corruption.
I hope these journalists flourish, alongside others who point out corruption problems within any industry. Unfortunately I do fear for them in today’s climate and wonder if key positions are held by people with little integrity or whose moral thinking seems slightly strange.firefox – you really do get very het up.
I’m not saying all racing’s bent, just elements within.
By ‘they’ I mean some owners/trainers/jockeys who can’t be named as libel laws are very strict in this country and proof beyond doubt is hard to obtain.
I don’t belong to Betfair so getting my coat and popping over would be difficult.
As for the effective policing of the rules of racing I think the authorities have taken a very hard knock over the Fallon debacle.if we are all being very honest a racing and betting industry that generates millions upon millions of pounds from the very top of the ladder to the bottom it is very hard to believe there is complete honesty the very rich always want more and the ones at the bottom of the ladder need more,there is a saying that everyone has a price not something i completely agree with but for some it does apply,in my limited experience of ownership i believe the people i dealt with were very honest but i am not so nieve to beleive that there is no dishonesty in the game
Culhane was found guilty and should have been banned for life. If a bank manage was jailed for emptying peoples accounts, would you be happy for him to get his job back after doing 6 months inside?
Hello,
Of course Culhane was targeted, and why not.
I for one was not completely satisfied by some of Mr Culhane’s performances way before he was actually brought to book.
If I, and I am sure, others on the Forum noted it, surely the powers that be did, and evidence had to be collated over a period of time, hemce the "target" theory.
One can defend the guy prior to him being found guilty, but when guilt is proven, and you are a fan of the sport, his actions become indefensible.
As someone else commented, a life ban should have been considered.
regards,
doyley
Do the BHB/HRA have the power to ban a Trainer or Jockey for life for offences similar to Culhanes?
Do the BHB/HRA have the power to ban a Trainer or Jockey for life for offences similar to Culhanes?
There are enough catch all’s in the rules that they can effectively ban any licenced individual for virtually anything if they really wanted to.
If I am a stable lad, and one of the horses I look after worked like a drain the day before a race, and I tell the lads down the pub and they all lay him on the exchanges, is that corruption?
Yes it is IMO. Not to the same scale as a jockey pulling him but still inside information and corrupt.
As reet hard has been advocating on here for a while, the BHA should be concentrating more on getting trainers/connections to divulge this information to the general public as opposed to the current preference for saying nothing about anything.
Share traders or anyone party to commercially sensitive information is subject to charges of market abuse if they use that information inappropriately. I have to sign a declaration at work to that effect.
Someone needs to make a decision. Personally, I would put the onus on the trainers.
Share traders or anyone party to commercially sensitive information is subject to charges of market abuse if they use that information inappropriately. I have to sign a declaration at work to that effect.
Someone needs to make a decision. Personally, I would put the onus on the trainers.
They are subject to charges which the FSA have had zero results when trying to prove these charges. Which is much the same as the Horse racing authorities. Extremely hard to enforce these regulations when you can never prove wrong doing.
JohnJ.
firefox wrote:
To imply the collapse of the Fallon trial has open the floodgates for corruption is conspiracy theorising gone mad. The Fallon case collapsed because of the incompetence of the parties bring the trial to court.
If someone steals, by whatever means, and gets away with it, what odds would you give for a repeat and others following suit?
And, if proved guilty, and it had directly affected your livelyhood and profits , would you accept the culprit back?
Before you accuse me of any implication reference the Fallon etc. trial that is not the point I’m making!
I’m simply saying, whether thieving is going on or not, if the powers that be are perceived not able to do much about it anyway, you end up with a "free for all".
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