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  • #1490195
    Istabraq
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    Battash @ 2\1

    #1490198
    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    I’ve done Liberty Beach 25’s
    The trainer quoted a couple of weeks ago that she could go here or Commonwealth cup
    it would be throwing her into the deep end somewhat
    but I think this race suits her better being a fast run 5f

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    #1490200
    Frenchy15
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    Backed Battash heavily at 4s weeks ago. If he’s not the banker of the meeting I’ll be bitterly disappointed

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    Avatar photoMiddle_Of_March
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    Agree with you lads that Battaash really ought to be winning this. Looks a weak group 1 and without Blue Point, should be a penalty kick.

    Did a lot of work last year to cut across the field for a decisive second. Was a good performance that I thought considering Blue Point was suited by that stiff 5f.

    Sceptical is exciting but Battaash is worth changing at 2/1. Probably be Evens on the morning.

    #1490239
    ham
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    Battaash and banker are two words i dont think should be in the same sentence

    Brave taking a short price for him antepost.

    Tailed off.

    #1490240
    Frenchy15
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    Ham that can only be the words from a man burnt badly in a couple of his bad runs surely?!!

    His form in the first 3 runs of seasons

    3 – 111
    4 – 121
    5 – 121

    Beaten only by Blue Point at BPs favourite track. No BP this year.

    All his bad runs came later in the season, even that is less of a questionmark now. CH said he was more relaxed going into his 5year old season and his form figures read 12110. His last run can be completely written off as the ground was appalling and no one drawn high literally had any chance.

    This year CH is talking as if he’s the finished article now at 6, so more inprovement potentially and he would have had this race as his number 1 target.

    It’s a weak looking line up, he deserves this so much and only beaten by Blue Point in 9 of his last early season runs.

    There is no such thing as a dead cert in any horse race but this is surely as close as you’ll ever get!

    Come on Battash!!

    #1490250
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    2/1 is a very nice price. Can’t believe you got 4’s Frenchy15 wish I had seen that!!! What a great bet.

    Hes miles ahead of the others’. Hes more like an even money shot to me and could go odds on on the day I think.

    Having a bet right now. Has been one of my favourite horses in training ever since he blitzed the field in the Goodwood King George Stakes in 2017.

    #1490253
    ham
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    Nah most certainly not frenchy, hes a headcase, taking 2/1 about him antepost Is not for me, hes liable to blow up with or without a crowd there, best runs probably not at ascot although hes not terrible there, im assuming the abbaye run was the ground is the thinking? Because that was a poor race…

    On the day of, 2/1 is fair enough,

    sceptical will beat him anyway

    Improvement from a sprinter from 5 to 6 is unlikely regardless of what the trainer sais.

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    Battaash is a headcase

    That’s part of what makes him such an exciting horse

    His nunthorpe run was mindblowing, one of the best sprinting performances you will ever see

    If he runs well he wins, and last year he had 4 good runs 1 bad one

    So 2/1 isnt the worst price in the world

    #1490259
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    I’m not even sure if he is a headcase anymore and last season Charlie Hills seemed to have sorted him out compared to 2018. He’s different league to anything else likely to line up.

    This race is his target and 2/1 will seem huge on the day I think considering he went off 2/1 last year and Blue Point was in the line up!

    #1490264
    Frenchy15
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    Someone highlighted on twitter that the market went up in March I think it was KrisKin, I jumped on it as soon as I saw it!

    I believe there is so much value to be played antipost on Royal Ascot as the best horses you know are quite likely to be targeted there. It’s done me well recently anyway. Need to check oddschecker daily from about March time. Even right now, there is value although it’s beginning to dry up a bit this week.

    I can also see him odds on come Tuesday and it’s possible Sceptical if they have any sense will bypass this and have a shot at the DJ, which looks very open.

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    droffats
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    I cannot see Battash losing and 2/1 seems a steal. However how certain is he to run. Does anyone know. It’s only because I don’t rate Charlie Hills.

    #1490307
    ham
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    2/1 will never look huge antepost on any horse. Hes won 10/20 of his races, hes never won at ascot and hes liable to lose his race before its ran, no denying hes likely the best on ratings (sceptical will beat him)

    His abbaye run was in as “poor” a race as this, what happened then? Why wont glass slippers hammer him again? Was only 18 or so lengths the last time….

    Your judging a 6yo sprinter on his outings at the beginning of his 5yo campaign and classing that as a banker, he did not uphold the form at the end of the season… at some point he wont return as good and its usually 6-8 they regress

    Good luck though lads, sceptical for me atm

    #1490314
    Frenchy15
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    It’s stated already Ham. His early season form reads 111121121, beaten only by Blue Point. He’s been second in a Group 1 Kings Stand twice at Ascot so to say he’s never won at Ascot so he won’t ever win is ignoring his form there which is very solid.

    He’s not upheld his form in any of his final races of any year and last year was a right off because any horse drawn high had no chance.

    You can’t look at form and isolate it, we need to look at all his form together and it pinpoints to a big run at the start of the season.

    That said I take your point about age. Only one 6yr+ winner in last 12.

    If sceptical goes here and not the DJ he’s worth a saver based on his potential.

    If you fancy him to win that bet him and have a saver on Battaash surely is the sensible play here

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    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    Will Liberty Beach be getting weight for age/fillies allowance here and how much.??

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    #1490332
    ham
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    She will be off 8st 9 nathan and bataash will be off 9st 4 for comparison

    #1490333
    ham
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    More value in laying battaash for me frenchy than saving on him, hes a cracker of a horse on his day and im a big big fan, just a price issue for me at 2/1 and on the day he will be even more of a lay for me if he goes off about 4/5 or shorter, id consider him a saver at 6/4 day of but thats highly unlikely

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