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- August 23, 2017 at 12:39 #1314985
Concerned about the rain though. That will suit Churchill more than Barney Roy, but make it more difficult to get the trip, if there are stamina doubts.
Barney Roy I have no doubt will stay the distance, he was staying on at the death at Sandown, I believe they held him up there because they weren’t sure he would stay, now they have no doubts on that score it gives them more options in terms of tactics.
August 23, 2017 at 13:35 #1314994It’s not exactly a case of stamina that keeps Barney Roy mid to rear in the early stages, Judge. They “hold him up” because he can be a bit free early on in his races. ie Needs a bit of cover early to settle. In a slowly run race a prominent position is advantageous, having a length or two’s head start in the sprint for home. However, settling becomes even more of an issue. On a horse like Barney Roy a slower pace means he’ll need cover even more to settle. So can’t see him racing closer than mid-div early.
Value Is EverythingAugust 23, 2017 at 13:45 #1314997I’m surprised Churchill has gone fav
They pulled him out of the Sussex when the rain came and the extra distance here will be tougher than if on a quicker surface. If he goes 2/1 in the win market, I’ll be checking the place market and layGaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026
August 23, 2017 at 13:50 #1314998Has it gone fav? Not on the screen I’m seeing.
As for Barney Roy tactics I’m not sure why they don’t just race it prominently if it’s got a big stride.
Wouldn’t surprise me if they sent it on. However being by Excelebration the ground has gone against it. Agree with Nathan that doubts persist with Churchill re the trip; although it does have more experience of soft going having raced on it in Ireland.
August 23, 2017 at 13:53 #1315000I’m sure I heard Doyle saying the other day he wouldn’t mind if going was a bit softer for Barney Roy….?
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August 23, 2017 at 13:55 #1315002There both about 3/1.
Churchill fav with 4 firms and moving blue whilst Barney going red on oddscheckerGaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026
August 23, 2017 at 14:00 #1315005Ground doesn’t look that testing anyway. Sloppy if anything.
August 23, 2017 at 14:12 #1315011Is Barney Roy a fan of The Pretenders?
He’s taking a fair walk in the market regardless. I won’t be surprised to see connections pull him out, perhaps Churchill too and surely Shutter Speed has a mountain to climb now?
Time to get on the Dream Boat?
August 23, 2017 at 14:18 #1315013Ground isn’t that bad Charles, you’re talking like it’s a bog.
August 23, 2017 at 14:19 #1315014With the season I have had for selections flopping and then going on to win later, I had to give Cliffs Of Moher a go at 5/1 early doors for this.
The form simply states that he wasn’t up to it last time but he was nearly brought down in scrimmaging.
I thought he was worth a go from the front, as he thrived with those tactics in his maiden win, but they held him up on the rails last time and he ran into trouble. He still managed to beat Eminent that day and that horse went on to win, albeit a farcical race where he was the only one to go on, last time.
The ground brings doubts for Shutter Speed and Churchill in my mind. Cliffs Of Moher has the stamina as the Derby runner up and I felt he was a shade of value at 5/1 in a very tricky contest.
He would be about my 99th tip to fail before winning next time this season, so I went with him.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
August 23, 2017 at 14:22 #1315015Ground isn’t that bad Charles, you’re talking like it’s a bog.
I’m just being overly pessimistic Judge.
Come on Mr Roy!
August 23, 2017 at 14:24 #1315016We agree Stevie.
Value Is EverythingAugust 23, 2017 at 14:33 #1315018I’m surprised Churchill has gone fav
They pulled him out of the Sussex when the rain came and the extra distance here will be tougher than if on a quicker surface. If he goes 2/1 in the win market, I’ll be checking the place market and layGround is no worse than it was when Churchill won the Irish 2000.
Sussex was heavy, nothing like that today.
It does place more emphasis on stamina, although I think Coolmore will make it a slow gallop. Quickening on rain softened loose ground is harder, so there are some negatives ground-wise for Churchill.Value Is EverythingAugust 23, 2017 at 14:47 #1315022Churchill wasnt overly impressive in the Irish Guineas though and poor at Ascot, maybe the break has done him good. Soon find out.
Barney Roy looked well walking past a minute ago. I remember Toronado running here and he looked the worst I’d ever seen him, looked as weak as a kitten when normal like a bullGaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026
August 23, 2017 at 15:13 #1315034Barney Roy looked good in the walk across the course and another horse with a big stride, cracksman, just hosed up which increases confidence.
August 23, 2017 at 15:21 #1315040I hope if Barney Roy has got a chance to win Doyle doesn’t mess it up. Don’t have much faith in him as a jockey. What he should do is use the horse’s huge stride and send him on in the straight like Frankie did in the last.
August 23, 2017 at 15:30 #1315048Hope they’re all feeling good and get a good clear run, hopefully it’ll be a cracker.
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