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I suppose the problem with calling it “The Juddmonte Frankel” is Juddmonte might not think it’s worth sponsering the race if it’s going to be named after their sire anyway.
Value Is EverythingIt seems that Ulysses is not nailed on to run. By the sound of things from Sir Michael, Ulysses could run in the Irish Champion instead. One or the other, not both apparently.
It seems that Ulysses is not nailed on to run. By the sound of things from Sir Michael, Ulysses could run in the Irish Champion instead. One or the other, not both apparently.
My initial thought was that he’d avoid York if the ground got too soft, but on seconds I think he might just want to avoid Barney Roy.
If the ground comes up fast, I think Barney Roy is a distance bet. I wouldn’t back him at the moment, because Ballydoyle will no doubt get stuck into Churchill on the day and I can’t see BR going off too much shorter than available at the moment.
Of the others, Shutter Speed, So Mi Dar and Queen’s Trust could be interesting, were they to turn up. Shutter Speed was supposedly Gosden’s best 3yo filly at the start of the season. I can’t imagine her to have gone the other way after her 4th in France (which I suspect was as much to do with Dettori’s match fitness as anything).
It seems that Ulysses is not nailed on to run. By the sound of things from Sir Michael, Ulysses could run in the Irish Champion instead. One or the other, not both apparently.
If the ground comes up fast, I think Barney Roy is a distance bet. I wouldn’t back him at the moment, because Ballydoyle will no doubt get stuck into Churchill on the day and I can’t see BR going off too much shorter than available at the moment.
I took 7/2 when I thought Churchill & Ulysses wouldn’t turn up and Barney would be left with only the likes of Decorated Knight and Benbatl to beat. Suddenly it’s looking a whole lot hotter.
Really think with Churchill rather than having a stamina doubt he’ll relish the step up to 10 furlongs. Just seems to do all his best work at the finish. Let’s face it he’s bred along similar lines to Frankel and he had no problem getting home when he ran in this race, even if Churchill is not in the same league as the great horse.
Was disappointed with Barney Roy in the Eclipse to be honest. A lot of people said he ran really well but I think that race was there for the taking. Let’s hope Churchill can step up to the plate.
Churchill is the bet for me
Hi everyone , for me at middle distances the 3 year old fillies are at least as good as the colts. With Shutter Speed rerouted from France she must be the value at double figure prices.John Gosden was sure that she was his best filly earlier in the season,so in the light of Enable’s achievements,it is logical to say that we haven’t seen anything like the best of this filly yet.
Hi everyone , for me at middle distances the 3 year old fillies are at least as good as the colts. With Shutter Speed rerouted from France she must be the value at double figure prices.John Gosden was sure that she was his best filly earlier in the season,so in the light of Enable’s achievements,it is logical to say that we haven’t seen anything like the best of this filly yet.
I agree. If we get good ground, she would be the each-way bet in the race.
Churchill looks a cracking price. If he hadn’t run in the St James palace he would be much shorter. Cliffs of moher should be in the shake up and wouldn’t be surprised if aiden has two in the frame. Decorated knight could also run to a place.
Churchill looks a cracking price. If he hadn’t run in the St James palace he would be much shorter. Cliffs of moher should be in the shake up and wouldn’t be surprised if aiden has two in the frame. Decorated knight could also run to a place.
But he did run in the SJP? And was beaten comfortably by BR who deservedly is shorter in the market.
Plus doubts about whether Churchill has peaked makes him a fair price I think.
For me, I’ve completely reversed with Barney Roy. I thought going into the Guineas he was the hype horse and that both he and Churchill would get beaten by the French horse Al Wukair.
As for this race..
As the season has gone on, I now believe BR is a better horse than Churchill. I think Cliffs Of Moher is a decent horse who I had antepost for the Derby but I think he’s not as good as the Godolphin horse. Ulysses is a very interesting runner (assuming he goes here) but he appears very awkward to win on and I’m really not sure a small field of this quality will play to his strengths.For me, of Shutter Speed runs, she will be the absolute each way bet. I have always rated her and I think, barring maybe Barney Roy, the top class fillies like her would all beat Churchill in a match race. I was on her antepost in the Oaks so was gutted at the time to see her not run. And then to be at the track and see the supposed second string win that day was painful to see. On reflection, seeing as what she has done since, Enable is quite clearly a superstar so probably Shutter Speed wouldn’t have won anyway.
If the Gosden filly doesn’t run Wednesday, I will be on Barney Roy. I really hope she does though as she is such a cracking price, I may even go for a lumpy each way bet if it’s 1-2-3 places.
I may even play the Shutter Speed to beat Barney Roy forecast as well.
Churchill looks a cracking price. If he hadn’t run in the St James palace he would be much shorter. Cliffs of moher should be in the shake up and wouldn’t be surprised if aiden has two in the frame. Decorated knight could also run to a place.
But he did run in the SJP? And was beaten comfortably by BR who deservedly is shorter in the market.
Plus doubts about whether Churchill has peaked makes him a fair price I think.
For me, I’ve completely reversed with Barney Roy. I thought going into the Guineas he was the hype horse and that both he and Churchill would get beaten by the French horse Al Wukair.
As for this race..
As the season has gone on, I now believe BR is a better horse than Churchill. I think Cliffs Of Moher is a decent horse who I had antepost for the Derby but I think he’s not as good as the Godolphin horse. Ulysses is a very interesting runner (assuming he goes here) but he appears very awkward to win on and I’m really not sure a small field of this quality will play to his strengths.For me, of Shutter Speed runs, she will be the absolute each way bet. I have always rated her and I think, barring maybe Barney Roy, the top class fillies like her would all beat Churchill in a match race. I was on her antepost in the Oaks so was gutted at the time to see her not run. And then to be at the track and see the supposed second string win that day was painful to see. On reflection, seeing as what she has done since, Enable is quite clearly a superstar so probably Shutter Speed wouldn’t have won anyway.
If the Gosden filly doesn’t run Wednesday, I will be on Barney Roy. I really hope she does though as she is such a cracking price, I may even go for a lumpy each way bet if it’s 1-2-3 places.
I may even play the Shutter Speed to beat Barney Roy forecast as well.
Does Shutter Speed’s run in the Prix de Diane last time out not worry you MoM? I don’t think she had any excuses that day, she simply wasn’t good enough in my opinion. If she failed to beat that lot I have scant little hope for her against these.
I think Cliffs of Moher 7/1 is the bet. He was 7/4 going into the Eclipse against much the same opposition, and despite nearly coming down in that race he ran on well. There’s every chance he’ll be used as a spoiler, but after Churchill’s loss I think they may just let Cliffs him run on his merits.
There is a risk with Churchill that he’s just a miler and when they put the gun to his head at the two furlong pole he’ll fall in a hole.
But you know you have to go on visual impression which suggests that he shouldn’t have any problem with 10 furlongs. Barney Roy does have an advantage though in that respect as he’s conditioned to run at it. But another thing that would concern me with Barney Roy is all he did was stay on at Sandown- a stiffer track than York- maybe the speed track will see at him a further disadvantage. Whereas Churchill got the better cruising speed, although that will count for nothing of course if he doesn’t get the trip.
Ok forgot that Cliffs of moher nearly fell at Sandown, so the jury is still out with him.
Does Shutter Speed’s run in the Prix de Diane last time out not worry you MoM? I don’t think she had any excuses that day, she simply wasn’t good enough in my opinion. If she failed to beat that lot I have scant little hope for her against these.
I think Cliffs of Moher 7/1 is the bet. He was 7/4 going into the Eclipse against much the same opposition, and despite nearly coming down in that race he ran on well. There’s every chance he’ll be used as a spoiler, but after Churchill’s loss I think they may just let Cliffs him run on his merits.
Not for me, no. The more I watch that race, the more I’m convinced that Dettori selfishly deciding to ride when only having one good arm cost her the win. She hit the front like she was going to blast them, only for a one-armed Dettori to get weak in the finish and so the horse hung over to the rail and lost her way.
If the rain stays away, I’d take her at 9/2.
I’m convinced that Dettori selfishly deciding to ride when only having one good arm cost her the win.
To be honest I found this also quite egocentric from Frankie.
But now he has full capacity again .Not quite sure what to make of barney roy yet, he looks to progressing but i cant take the st james palace form serious quite yet, equally not sure what to make of the eclipse form yet either.
Churchills flop last time out means i cant back him until i see how he runs in this although he looked previously like he wouldnt mind an extra 2f, massive negative if the ground remained good to firm also
Ulysses is a horse im not sure what to make of,never get him quite right, the form of him and barney roy is close and last time out he was giving barney roy 10lbs now he only gives him 7lbs if you factor that in i dont see why the form would be reversed?
Shutter speed beating enable means 0, cant have her although i think the price is pretty good
Leaves me with cliffs of moher, i think hes better suited to 10f, it will fall right for him at some point. Hopefully in this.
Not a race ill have too much on,
Cliffs of moher at 7/1 and a little on ulysses at 7/2 + Will play the RF with those two also
Its a fascinating race isn’t it? The 2000 Guineas form is difficult to take at face value because the other Aiden horse set the race up for Churchill on the rail and Barney was trapped on the outside. It is unlikely though that Churchill ran his true race last time either so the jury is out over 10 furlongs I think. Ulysses brings in some really good form and in typical Sir Michael fashion still seems to be improving. I think Shutter Speeds run in the French Oaks should be ignored (badly drawn, missed break and Dettori riding with one arm) but it still needs to prove its up to this level.It beat nothing in the Musidora on soft and although visually impressive in that race at Newbury, I don’t think Enable was given much of a ride (Will Buick).
In summary, I think that Shutter Speed is worth a bet (I took 14/1 with 188 bet)because she is very much a speed filly on a flat track that should suit.I think she has a high cruising speed with a good turn of foot.Whatever happens,this race looks a cracker.
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