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Don’t expect Manning to go off too quick, but gradually wind things up down the home straight. If he can conserve a bit of energy I can see Trading Leather outgunning the field on his favoured quick ground.
Well a few bubbles burst there.
I said Charlton set his horse up for a fall and fall he certainly did. Toronado was beaten too far out to blame the trip and perhaps the ongoing duel with Dawn Approach has taken the shine off both horses long term.
Congratulations to Aiden O’ Brien and his scatter gun policy, his horse certainly has an appetite for racing.
Overall it felt slightly disappointing with regards to going forward and a few camps will be back to the drawing board and Roger Charlton will need to be tested for amnesia regarding his comments from race to race.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I’ve backed both Trading Leather @ 7.8/1 and Declaration Of War @ 16/1 as my value alternatives to the big two.
Credit where credit is due. You can’t get it much better than that and I raise my hat in acknowledgement.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Havent seen the race. Didnt back the winner although I recognized he was big price yesterday.
I think this does prove though that giving horses long breaks between races isn’t always either necessary or a good thing. Clearly DOW is thriving on his racing.
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I’ve backed both Trading Leather @ 7.8/1 and Declaration Of War @ 16/1 as my value alternatives to the big two.
Credit where credit is due. You can’t get it much better than that and I raise my hat in acknowledgement.
Thanks Steve,
Even Complete Tits get it right now and again.
Do feel a little lucky though, hope Toronado is ok.
Value Is EverythingGreat call Ginger. I don’t watch much flat racing, but I thought AK was going at full racing pace after 3 furlongs – not a good sign, although he came back on the bridle when things got hot. I doubt that was his running, given that early indication of being a shade outpaced and the ‘no show’ of his hallmark appetite for a battle.
Credit to the winner who’s better than I thought he was.
Hughesie seemed a bit downbeat before the race and Toronado was easy to back. I suspect he left his form back on the Sussex downs; although delivered late that day I thought he had very little left at the end.
I believe the Acomb runner-up was the best horse in the race, probably by some way. Give G Lee the chance to ride that again and I think he’d have put some pace in early on to even matters out. He was full of running come the finish.
Finally, I was happy to see Telescope live up to his reputation, as much for his fine looks and honest demeanour as anything else.
Well done Ginge, that’s why you are a pro and I’m a scarecrow.
I’ve only seen the race once, I was over the hospital working and nipped off to a outpatient department which I knew had a tv, there was a few old folks in there waiting to be seen and one of them was on DOW, they were happy when I put the racing on and the old bloke who had DOW was even happier after the race. I just trudged off back to work.
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Aidan O’Brien said of the winner: "He has such an unbelievable constitution, this horse, we’ve never had one like him." How about Camelot,So You Think etc etc etc…..Gets boring does it not?So many one-of-a-kinds.
Toronado reported to be coughing after the race
As were his backers!
Seems amazing that both Dawn Approach and Toronado have run badly next time and been diagnosed with a malaise in the immediate aftermath.
Roger Charlton has said in the aftermath of today’s race:-
"James (Doyle) never felt happy at any stage. He wanted to press Trading Leather more, and he couldn’t do it. He’s had three runs on firm ground and he was looking after himself, I think.
"You hope you can get away with it, but if you keep running a horse on firm ground when he prefers it softer, that’s what happens. Whether he goes for the Irish Champion Stakes or whatever, we’ll just see how he comes back."
After having stated earlier that they were not going to run him again on firm ground again before the Arc, you have to wonder what planet he is on.
Having been praised for the way he has been patient with the horse and looked after him, you now have to mark this down as a balls-up that could be seen coming before today. What is it with normally astute people that causes them to go against their own words and instincts?
My late Mother used to refer to it as Cerebral Dysentery, which when I quizzed her about the meaning she replied:-
"An unexplained, sudden rush of sh*t to the brain"
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
To be honest Steve I’m scoobied why Charlton thinks Al Kazeem doesn’t like G/F. G/F ground certainly would not have put any prospective AK backers off today, bearing in mind that by far his best form has come on G/F.
I know Dubawi liked a bit of cut, but the quotes are still a bit odd when you check the formbook briefly.
Toronado reported to be coughing after the race
As were his backers!
Seems amazing that both Dawn Approach and Toronado have run badly next time and been diagnosed with a malaise in the immediate aftermath.
Roger Charlton has said in the aftermath of today’s race:-
"James (Doyle) never felt happy at any stage. He wanted to press Trading Leather more, and he couldn’t do it. He’s had three runs on firm ground and he was looking after himself, I think.
"You hope you can get away with it, but if you keep running a horse on firm ground when he prefers it softer, that’s what happens. Whether he goes for the Irish Champion Stakes or whatever, we’ll just see how he comes back."
After having stated earlier that they were not going to run him again on firm ground again before the Arc, you have to wonder what planet he is on.
Having been praised for the way he has been patient with the horse and looked after him, you now have to mark this down as a balls-up that could be seen coming before today. What is it with normally astute people that causes them to go against their own words and instincts?
My late Mother used to refer to it as Cerebral Dysentery, which when I quizzed her about the meaning she replied:-
"An unexplained, sudden rush of sh*t to the brain"
According to the guest racing pundit on Talksport this morning ( I can’t recall who it was) Charlton did not want to run the horse on firm ground again yesterday but was over-ruled by the owner- "owner pays the bills" etc etc, Same implication given in the RP analysis. Thus before crticising Charlton, suggest ask questions of the owner.
I have to agree with Steve that RC will look back on this and say with the benefit of hindsight "we shouldn’t have run him." However PC is right when he says it would not have put off his backers yesterday as his best form has been on that ground.
Of course RC knows his horse better than anyone and perhaps should have been tougher with the owner but until a horse runs badly on the ground you are still guessing to an extent. For example Wild Coco has just been withdrawn because of fast ground but she has already run poorly on that ground – they know. Al Kazeem had only run well on it so they didn’t. They do now.
I know you will all laugh but this season has really underlined to me (and I hope to some of his critics at the time) just how brilliantly Sir Henry handled Frankel and how incredible his connections were to let him make the decisions. Jim Bolger was against the Derby till Sheikh Mo came along, Richard Hannon had no intention of stepping Toronado up until his owner got another decent miler and his jockey persuaded him it was the right thing to do, RC told us AK would never run on fast ground again but was over-ruled by his owner. In each case look what has happened. This is not cherry picking these are the three best horses in the UK/Ireland and they have all been the victims of poor decisions.
Today Alistair Down asked in the RP the simple question "why?" Why did they run Al K? For me it is a simple answer with him and with the other two. They all got greedy. Even though in each case their initial instinct was to leave well alone, they still ran them.
Ok so what? They got beat. As Andyod says people should not avoid running their horses just for fear of them getting beat. I agree with that. But you want them to run to their best no? The incredible thing about Frankel is that he ran to his best virtually every single time. How did they manage that? Well they had a programme, a plan that was designed around the horse and what his trainer believed was best for him and they stuck to it. They were tempted by the Derby but had grave doubts about the trip. They were tempted to step him up in trip after beating CC but had doubts that he was ready for it at that stage of his career. They were tempted by The Arc but thought the combination of trip and ground might be too much. They gave him time between races. They didn’t get greedy, they were patient. They had tough decisions to make and they had to answer a lot of criticism but they made the right decisions and a legend was made.
Frankel was an infinitely better horse than any of the others mentioned in this thread and for all we know he WOULD have been able to handle all those races. The fact that this lot couldn’t in no way proves that Frankel wouldn’t either but what it DOES show is what can happen if you do push them too much. Nobody wants to see DA tailed off in a Derby or Toronado beaten out of sight at York. They don’t deserve that do they?
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If I were Frankel I’d have a restraining order against you Joni.
What a dull race yesterdays would have been if Al Kazeem & Toronado hadn’t turned up – is that really what we want to see? Not me I’m afraid.
If I were Frankel I’d have a restraining order against you Joni.
What a dull race yesterdays would have been if Al Kazeem & Toronado hadn’t turned up – is that really what we want to see? Not me I’m afraid.
Brilliant! How very true PC it would have been poor although I suppose Toronado did little to add to it during the actual race.
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