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    Frenchy15
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    Itching to go in on Kameko here but not sure how certain to run he is? Anyone seen anything recently?

    Ground should be fine with GF currently and not that much rain in forecast.

    Benbatl the obvious danger and despite winning after a long lay off last year, it turned out to be a weak race that and there’s no guarantee at 6 he’s just as fresh after another long layoff. Plus he didn’t race against anyone any near as good as Kameko LY

    #1502468
    jackh1092jackh1092
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    Interesting race that Frenchy! Kameko giving Benbatl a pound! In saying that i’d probably favour Kameko as well. He’s jocked up and there’s nowhere else for him before Ascot or abroad? I’d be fairly confident he rocks up here.

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    #1502496
    Frenchy15
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    It’s a slight worry the weight, I think it’s a bit ridiculous that is the case, but 4/1 is too big if he runs. I’m concerned they might just try and go straight to Ascot though. I don’t really see the point in running here to be honest. I guess the only point is to try and get his head in front again but that’s not a given with Benbatl and a weight penalty.

    Connections are normally quite vocal about targets as well, so I’m leaning towards waiting for the confirmation which probably means I’ll lose the 4/1

    #1502509
    Mike987654
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    I am a Kameko fan but I can’t see past Benbatl with him getting a pound from Kameko, I wished I grabbed the 4/1 with hills but settled for 3/1. With the amount of rain forecast I can see the going will be good, like last year when Benbatl won by 5L to king of Comedy. The connections have waited for the right going for the horse.

    #1502817
    Frenchy15
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    King of Comedy ran badly there though and the others were well blow on ratings.

    It seems Kameko is confirmed.

    Balding told Sun Racing: “The plan’s to go to Newmarket as we need to get a run in before Champions Day.

    “He had a hard race at York, but he’s back to his best now at home.

    “He’s back to a mile now and that’s a positive I think. His Guineas win was clearly his standout effort and his Sussex Stakes run was probably next best.

    “We were running out of places to go but this race works well and while he has to carry a penalty against some smart horses, we’re hopeful.”

    Kameko 7/2

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    TriptychTriptych
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    Being a great Meydan racing/Godolphin fan I have to go with Benbatl especially with Frankie on board but wouldn’t rule out Zakouski 14/1 who at 2 years younger and having put in some fast times when winning his 2 races at Meydan this year could be danger.

    Benbatl – Win 5/2
    Zakouski 14/1 – EW

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    #1502884
    kris_kin
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    Looks an interesting little race this. I am a Benbatl fan but Regal Reality at 11/1 looks a decent E/W bet.

    He looked good at Salisbury on penultimate start over 1m on GF and can forgive his last run on soft.

    With 1m on GF again he can go well for Sir Michael at a decent price.

    #1502887
    Frenchy15
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    I’d be really keen with Regal Reality on GF also KrisKin but I don’t think it will be that fast by friday. He’s yet to really prove he can run on anything slower than GF at a high standard and it’s a hot race with the front 2 in the market. If Newmarket misses much of the rain I’ll join you EW though maybe with a forecast play with Kameko also

    #1502890
    jackh1092jackh1092
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    I’ve decided to sit this one out. Kameko was always likely to turn up here i thought given the timeframe for Ascot + how he’s performed recently. However, as a 4-1 or 7-2 shot, i can’t see him shortening to a price that is worth the risk given it’s still antepost + the opposition.

    Probably win now, but sure! :good:

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    #1502903
    Mike987654
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    https://www.racingpost.com/racecards/38/newmarket/2020-09-25/765164/

    8 runners declared. Hills go 9/4 Benbatl and 5/2 Kameko. Had a small bet on Kameko as well to cover Banbatl if Kameko turns him over @3.23/1. Dettori is on Benbatl.

    #1502910
    FinalFurlong91
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    Really looking forward to this one

    Got the big two and an unknown like tilsit

    Who clearly has stacks of raw ability, be interesting to see if he can take another big step forward

    #1503052
    Frenchy15
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    17mm of rain in the last 24 hours! What is it with Newmarket this year, getting battered with rain. More forecast now for tomorrow morning also.

    Makes this a very very difficult race to have confidence in. Neither Benbatl or Kameko will enjoy the ground conditions, potentially GS all over by the race. Regal Reality another that won’t appreciate the rain.

    In fact looking at them, none except Top Rank really look like they’d appreciate some give. That Superior Mile Stakes race at Haydock, looked like an awful slow race, but Top Rank kept on and on and perhaps a strongly run mile at Newmarket with give in the ground is right up his street actually. Worth considering a saver.

    #1503055
    jackh1092jackh1092
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    Quietly happy at this stage i sat this one out- weather forecast i use suggests a fair wack of rain again tomorrow before the races.

    Newmarket is good, g/s in places now. G/S does seem a reasonable shout Frenchy or even slightly worse.

    Tilsit was pulled on g/s previously. Won’t suit either of the front 2, or as you say Regal Reality.

    Duke of Hazzard doesn’t look the same, and the ground wouldn’t be ideal either.

    Urban Icon the same, and probably not good enough.

    Top Rank might have a good chance here? You say a strongly run race, is that sure to happen though!

    I wouldn’t rule out Zabeel Prince here- looks a shadow of previous form so far this year. If he doesn’t improve he won’t win.
    Newmarket form is 21, the second ahead of Regal Reality. 3 wins on soft and 1 on g/s.

    Mad, that he’d be good enough but maybe!?

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    #1503057
    Mike007
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    I can see the race falling apart unfotunately. Rain showers today and heavy rain Friday morning. No Benbatl, Kameko or Tilsit I expect, and maybe others.

    #1503067
    Mike987654
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    It is worrying with the weather but we will see what happens. If the going softens up then I think top rank will win it if he runs.

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