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“No clue how you rate the overall form as they were all in a heap at the finish.”
They’re all very good horses (mid- or low-120s), but none of them is outstanding.
Rodin officially rated 123 beforehand (who went around the inner)
beats by 1/2 length
Luxembourg (who went around the inner) rated 121 beforehand
only just beats by short head
Nashwa (who went a little wide) rated 122 beforehand
beats by 1/2 length
King Of Steel (who went a bit wide) rated 121 beforehandConsidering 3rd and fourth both ran a little further than the first two, all 4 seem to have run pretty much to their form.
Value Is Everything“Will King of Steel win a group 1?”
Given his size, perhaps it will be next year. The early season Group 1 at the Curragh?
Chuffed with that. Cracking tactics from the Ballydoyle team all around and I’d say that’s the last we’ll see of Rodin.
Had Luxembourg as a cover bet 20/1 with WH epic boost. He ran a fantastic race also.
Coolmore saying this may be Rodin’s last race may have been in case he bombed out again.
With Rodin now back and x nose band seeming to work and now having an (all important for breeding) win in a 10f Group 1…
Luxembourg’s form far better at 10f than 12…
Ballydoyle without any other top horse for the Arc…
Who were before today thinking of Savethelastdance for France…
I’d have thought Rodin will now go for the Arc which frees up Savethelastdance for Doncaster and Luxembourg for the English Champion
Value Is EverythingAuguste Rodin will only go to the Arc if the ground is quick, I would imagine. AOB has just said that the winner is clearly not suited by soft ground.
O’Brien seemed to be saying on RTV that good ground is important to Auguste Rodin. Are they likely to run him on what is almost always soft ground in Paris, even with the 10 furlong Group 1 ticked off?
Rodin put up probably the best performance by a two year old last year on “heavy” ground.
I know ground preferences can sometimes change, but for O’Brien to say Rodin is “clearly not suited by soft ground” is daft.If ground was the cause at Ascot he would not have had a x nose band on for the first time today.
There might be a slight chance he would not stay 12f on very soft, so can understand if they don’t go on soft or heavy. But saying about unsuited by soft is imo yet another Coolmore diversionary tactic, away from a possible breathing flaw that might put off some breeders.
Value Is EverythingHe might be better on better ground but he has also won twice on soft and once on heavy and the King George was good to soft so I think that is a rather weak excuse if you are insinuating that is the reason for his showing in 2000g/KG.
If they want fast ground then the Japan Cup would seem the obvious place but a certain Equinox will be lying in wait which on a line through Mostahdaf I don’t think they will want any part of and I really doubt whether they would go back up to 12F again now they got a 10F G1.
As Glad said he/they are all low to mid 120s horse that are good but not outstanding horses – you could probably run that race multiple times again and likely get a different winner out of the first four home almost every time.
Regardless of whether you take the POW or Juddmonte form lines, it would appear that Mostahdaf is a few pounds clear of this group maybe around 125 or 126 but I struggle to see him as a 128 horse.
Probably be a decent going Arc
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Rodin retiring would certainly mean he does not have to take on Mostahdaf who is both better than Rodin and also effective on a firm surface… If Rodin went up to 12f they may not meet… Or if they did then the Breeders Cup 12f may give him a better chance of beating the Gosden horse and so claim (only claim) to be the best horse in Europe / America. Would Equinox go to the Breeders Cup?
Value Is EverythingPretty certain there is no chance of Equinox running outside of Japan this season as he will likely run next in the Tenno Sho on 29 October (a race he won last year) before the Japan Cup on 26 November and then finally the Arima Kinen on 24 December (a race he also won last year). Those races mentioned are listed as being worth £1.3m, £2.7m & £3.1m to the winner, by comparison the Arc is worth £2.3m – the slowest ground he has ever run on was the good ground he encountered in Meydan.
Yes we have had a few good ground Arc’s and this year there is likely more of a chance of soft not being in the description but travelling over and then the ground going against him could then throw a spanner in the works for the Japan Cup….which is the main target he has had all season as it is the only thing missing from his Japanese CV.
With regards to AR, connections will just have to hope that this weather continues aon s to give them the option of the Arc or Champion Stakes……if the ground does turn then would they contemplate the BC Classic instead of the BC Turf???
The breeders cup turf looks the obvious race for him
He will get firm ground and a strong pace
Frankie and Kevin Stott need to have a long hard look at themselves after that, why on earth did they let Auguste Rodin get 3 or 4 lengths in front of them. Should’ve been sitting right on his tail.
Nashwa has run a stormer from the back and luxembourg has done tremendously well to keep going having been sacrificed as a pace maker.
I’m not sure the winner was even the 2nd best horse in the race, I’d be marking up both the other two.
Team tactics and some il judged rides from others have allowed rodin to win that.
Not sure I fully believe Hollie on this first part, could be a little bit of covering her back for being quite so far back:
“At one point I was a bit worried because it was the first time she has ever been out of the comfort zone early on. I couldn’t have gone much quicker so I thought I might be in trouble as they might outstay me, but actually she hit the line very hard. It was a good run.”
Agree FF. I don’t know how many rides Stott has had at Leopardstown but I think it is fairly safe to assume it is a lot less than Moore. It was plain stupid to sit so far off the pace.
Ballydoyle got it spot on but you could see what was happening from a long way out. If it was a boxing match, the others walked onto a sucker punch.
Most of us could’ve predicted pre race that luxembourg and point Lonsdale would lead with auguste rodin tracking them to drag him into it
But the other jockeys have just given rodin 3 or 4 lengths for no obvious reason
Frankie had a mare on Onesto, had him further back than needed for no obvious reason then tried to go up the inner got impeded and dropped his hands
Hypothetical question, had point Lonsdale not run and luxembourg got a freebie would rodin have got past? I’m not convinced he wouldve
And after a day where prominent runners weren’t coming back we head to the curragh on quick ground, that rail will be a golden highway. I expect to see most of the races won by prominent horses as the track has ridden that way all year and it’ll be only exacerbated by the ground.
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