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Spot on Artemis
A grubby little thread
Nice riposte from Barry Dennis
Well said that man.
Honesty and decency no longer matter for anything, do they?
I’m questioning the very logic behind starting a thread like this: moral high-ground or not, surely starting a thread about your own fraud and asking others to share their experiences/methods is asking for trouble?
FWIW it’s actions like those you described which eventually lead me to despise most betting shop punters when I worked in LBOs. I hope you’re ashamed of the contempt with which Barry Dennis has treated you and the support he has subsequently amassed on this thread.
This would be the same Barry Dennis that happily admitted hoovering up on a photo finish is it?
For the record and to be fair to Barry I understand his reasons for bragging about in The Sun – but two wrongs don’t make a right
Edit: Sorry, it wasn’t a photo-finish it was a Stewards Enquiry and the sum involved was £1,800 allegedly.
FWIW it’s actions like those you described which eventually lead me to despise most betting shop punters when I worked in LBOs.
I couldn’t have said it better myself – I have felt exactly the same way.
My favourite betting shop scam is to walk in with a handgun, find the youngest female member of staff, point it at her head and tell the manager to give you all the money or you’ll "blow her f@#!ing brains out"; this rarely fails to reap dividends. It may seem a little harsh, but remember that they WILL close winning accounts so probably deserve it. I hope this helps.
" three professions that the insurance companies loaded for (Travellers, Market Stall Traders and Bookmakers staff) because they were viewed as people of low morality. "
Shouldn’t they add " any trf poster who is not old enough to have lived under any ruler other than Thatcher, Blair or Brown"?
" three professions that the insurance companies loaded for (Travellers, Market Stall Traders and Bookmakers staff) because they were viewed as people of low morality. "
Shouldn’t they add " any trf poster who is not old enough to have lived under any ruler other than Thatcher, Blair or Brown"?
And the relevance of that would be? To be fair young drivers were already loaded for under a different category, or are you getting at something else.
For the record Sean I am also old enough to have lived under the rule of john major. How do you like them apples
As an aside – I know it’s going slightly off topic – another profession that is loaded for car insurance purposes is that of working in a racing yard. The reasons given are that 1) you could have a valuable [?!?!??!!!!
] jockey as a passenger in your car if you crash or 2) you could hit/be hit by a valuable horse, ie a Derby winner.I kid you not – for years I went under the heading of farm labourer…..
As an aside – I know it’s going slightly off topic – another profession that is loaded for car insurance purposes is that of working in a racing yard. The reasons given are that 1) you could have a valuable [?!?!??!!!!
] jockey as a passenger in your car if you crash or 2) you could hit/be hit by a valuable horse, ie a Derby winner.I kid you not – for years I went under the heading of farm labourer…..
They do mate, you would fall into the category of professional sports, or you are involved in TV or Broadcasting (even if you are just a researcher, technical background bloke etc) you will get hammered because you are viewed as having potentially more expensive people around you. Its crazy. I hated insurance and soon left it, stereotyping is the name of the game.
I was in Ladbrokes a few months ago and fancied a horse that was favourite, I scribbled the bet down as the screen hadn’t said ‘race off’, even thought they had just started, they’d raced about a furlong when I reached the counter, I thought it was strange that I was still allowed to bet, as the assistant didn’t say sorry, the race has started, and simply put it through.
Th horse won at 5/2 I think, yet when I went to claim the win they said my bet was void, I argued the case that it’s not my fault if they make an error and don’t get the ‘race off’ sign up in time, she said it’s done by a central office and not the local branch, so they have no control over it, I said (very politely throughout) well it doesn’t matter who does or doesn’t do it, if Ladbrokes don’t get the ‘race off’ sign up in time, then surely that is Ladbroke’s error, and they should honour any winning bets! (Let’s be honest it doesn’t happen often.)
Funnily enough Statto was in the bookies, so I asked his advice, they had offered to pay me half the winnings if I remember right, he said I should take it (I can hear some of you now, saying that’s what you get for listening to Statto lol), so I took it and walked away, annoyed though, as when I placed the bet none of the horses were in a favourable position, it was a 1m 2f race I think, I strongly believe if a bookie doesn’t have the race off in time, and the person behind the counter actually takes the bet rather than using their initiative and looking at the screen and saying sorry, the race has started, then they should pay out in full!
I wish I’d had Getzippy’s luck that day!
Well – I tried it at Hove Dogs today and head office rang through to the shop saying the bet was over a min late. I wouldn’t try anything again for a while…but I am sure there will come an opportunity at some time.
I think you should have been paid out Chris – if the bet had lost, would they have told you it was void?
Zip
I actually saw a similar predicament in the bookies about a month or two ago.
Some people may remember the race in question-
My mate (not me) backed some ruby walsh horse, and basically after the last jump the horse went out of bounds but crossed the line in first. All the old fellas in the bookies were saying that the race would go to the second horse, but to try it anyway. The result came through with the ruby walsh horse as the winner and my mate got paid out.
Then it came up that there was a stewards inquiry and result was over turned. The girl behind the counter came out and asked my mate for the money back, and he said no. He felt that he had picked the winner of the race and it was only a technicality that his horse was not the winner. I said to him to just pay it back as it was only a small amount, and he knew before collecting that it was dodgy and the girl who was usually sound enough was getting a right strop on. But even the old fellas in the bookies were saying dont pay her back.
I wasnt really paying attention to what was going on that much but the girl behind the counter put him on to the William Hill head office and the bloke at head office told him that it was a genuine mistake on SIS and that because he had been paid out, they could not ask for the money back.
The two of them still arent on the best of terms over that even now, but it really all just comes down to peoples perceptions of right and wrong.
Punters are generally frowned upon by those with the moral high ground, and I know that bookmakers staff are too. I used to work in an insurance brokers and I remember that there were three professions that the insurance companies loaded for (Travellers, Market Stall Traders and Bookmakers staff) because they were viewed as people of low morality.
In any betting shop Ive ever been into, I couldnt say that there is one where everyone is straight as an arrow, but I take people as I find them.
I was raised honest and by nature always am that way, but I accept that most people in the betting fraternity have flexible morals, I do not really look down my nose at people for being that way, because if I was totally on the straight and narrow myself I wouldnt even be betting.
By far the best post on the subject.
an OAP had £2 on cee cee rider yesterday when it had already fallen,
best £2 I ever won feel really greatI am not sure if this is profound irony from Mr Dennis….
If not, then I see no difference between my actions and his.
What happens to the sleeper bets at the big bookies? Do they send the money to a list of charities?
Zip
Getzippy
You are nothing more than a thief.
Indeed. But I am a very nice person.
Zip
Ps,
Perhaps you could shed some accurate light on how the FOBT’s work?Have to say I agree with the last few posts on this.
Knowingly doing what you did is theft and should not be applauded.
Just to throw another slant on things, what if it was later picked up in the bookies and one of the lasses was accused of being a part of the theft and lost her job because of it, would you be feeling happy with yourself then?
Hmm, I’m not sure if I would feel either upset or pleased.
I fail to see how they would not know the bet was paid out to me, as I would confirm it with the manager.
End of.
Zip
I wouldn’t worry about it Arkle, people taking things too seriously as usual on this forum.
I see what GetZippy said purely as a tale or an account of something that can happen in a bookmakers, which I think his title illuded to. It could have been anyone he was talking about, it just happen’s to be him.
Can’t see why anyone who is not affected gives a toss to be honest. Lets face it he hasn’t stolen food from a child in Africa. This is corporate bookmakers we’re talking about, it’s their mistake. I don’t condone what GetZippy said but it was an account of what happend and I don’t think he was asking for a character reference from any Racing Forum members.
And that is pretty much what I think.
Fancy a drink, Marble?
Zip
Very sad thread. The one thing I like most about racing is the total honesty between bookmakers and punters in the ring, especially in the UK. More than once I’ve owned up to getting too much on course, most recently at Cheltenham in March when the ticket on my winner had the wrong stake on it.
I find it especially sad that Barry Dennis would take advantage of a punter placing a bet that couldn’t win- shame on you.
As others have said, cheating a betting shop is no different to stealing from any other shop, pathetic justifications about big corporations don’t excuse it. Personally, my life would be better without people like Getzippy on this forum.Feel free to leave Carvillshill.
Zip
In the battle of punter V bookie I have little sympathy for the latter.
I saw two 16 runner handicaps today become 15 runners…as others have intimated, that is out of order. (certainly imho)
Has anyone else had any experiences like this in the bookies? Where you have seen an opportunity that you could exploit?
GetZip, just because you have little sympathy for bookies (like most entrenched punters) it doesn’t legislate or mean what you done is right, you need to understand that before this buzz gets outs of control.
Other than that this really is becoming the bookies forum. Unfortunately, what we have now amongst gamblers is a sort of caste system like they have in India, where some rightous people are in a position to tell others what to do. Perhaps if it all was love in war William Hill wouldn’t have taken a few million off the bloke with the gambling problem?
Note to Carvs, now I think David Hood’s explanation of that on channel 4 was pathetic – a case of "what are we supposed to do".
I take on board the friendly advice about the "buzz."
Tis food for thought…I think I enjoyed the "buzz" more than the reddies.
Zip
] jockey as a passenger in your car if you crash or 2) you could hit/be hit by a valuable horse, ie a Derby winner.
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