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My thoughts exactly Mark, i felt O`Regan gave up easily on Tidal Bay.
I don’t think he overly done much wrong on Papillio, he was hanging horribly in the straight and is still inexperienced, i expect his orders were to get cover, he was drawn low and has ended up on the rail and then it’s a case of whether you get your run, he hasn’t been all that co-operative when he has and just ran out of room. Unfortunate but thats racing.
I suppose the problem I have with Spencer is he is great to watch but not good for the heart rate hahaha
I admit when he pulls it off he is very good to watch.
it was quite clear that R Greene basically lost the race on board Peacefull Means
Peaceful Means lost Peaceful Means the race, in fairness. A persual of her comments in running reveals a history of frequently taking too keen a hold, and of tanking off – or trying to tank off – with the rider.
She’s not a pleasant creature, to put it mildly; and far from Rodi Greene not being seen to best effect on her, he has become the latest rider that she has failed to assist as well as she might. He may not necessarily be the last.
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Amongst riders who now train.Poor jockeys amongst them will say jockeys don’t matter but good jockeys who now train will tell you that they are very important.Funny is it not?
A lot of ridiculous talk on this thread (imo, of course), much of it through the pocket:
XYZ should of (sic) won on that, ABC should of (sic) won on this….
I’ve never ridden in a race, but I’ve ridden enough fast work on the gallops to realise that it’s a
very
difficult job, and nigh-on impossible to ride anything close to the perfect race each time. I appreciate the argument that jockeys are paid to do a job, etc., and that they should be accountable for their mistakes, but all sports have participants of different abilities – just factor it into your calculations when you’re having a bet.
I’d like to see micks54321 have a go at race-riding – perhaps he wouldn’t be so forthcoming with his criticism then.
Have you guys forgotten the brilliant ride Denis O`Regan gave Tidal Bay last year? Make no mistake he is a top drawer jockey. A bit restricted up the North but thats his choice.
it was quite clear that R Greene basically lost the race on board Peacefull Means
Peaceful Means lost Peaceful Means the race, in fairness. A persual of her comments in running reveals a history of frequently taking too keen a hold, and of tanking off – or trying to tank off – with the rider.
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Jeremy
From watching racing regularly we both know that between us it would be possible to compile a list of such horses that would run into a serious three figure number. On any card in Scotland I can quite confident list a number of horse who will beat themselves.
With the exception of a few amateurs, all jockeys can at least ride a competent race but, as in all jobs and walks of life, there are varying degrees of ability. ‘Twas ever thus and ’twill ever be so.
Rob
Benny B – Saying you would like to see me riding really has no worth in this argument,
Do I work out riding every day? Is it my profession? No
Why would you like to see someone ride that hasnt a clue how to?
However if you ask me to do a job which is within my profession and one of which I practise everyday I would be hopefull of doing a top notch job.
The fact of the matter remains that these jockeys are professional jockeys, that is their job, that is what they do day in day out, so asking myself to ride really doesnt make sense when it is not my profession.
If you claim to be a professional at a certain sport/job then you really need to maintain a certain level of standard, no one is asking for perfection, but what we tend to see day in day out verges "Sometimes" on laughable. Too often our sport is dragged down by imcompetance
You made a comment that it is a very difficult job. Is it so difficult that Seb Saunders(clip just shown) shouldnt of won on that horse?? Is it so difficult that Sam Thomas took wrong course at Folkstone a year ago?? You could stay here all day and name incidents where jockeys have done things that in my opinion cannot be accounted for and really begger belief.
Lads,
Mr M Walsh at Gowran Park on Wickham Street
Absolutely shocking.
Honestly its a shame jockeys get away with this.
Very very dissapointing to see this in our sport.
For me Mr Walsh should now either
A) Be banned for 2 months
B) License revolked until passes remedial riding class.
I know this seems incredibly harsh but that was laughable, I watched it and couldnt believe my eyes.
How can we expect to attract spectators to our sport with that sort of class of riding?
Did anyone else see it?
Fair enough Mick, you’re entitled to your opinion.
I think Rob hit the nail on the head with:
With the exception of a few amateurs, all jockeys can at least ride a competent race but, as in all jobs and walks of life, there are varying degrees of ability. ‘Twas ever thus and ’twill ever be so.
You could always make a fortune laying horses ridden by these incompetent jocks though!
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Enlighten us, micks54321…
I dont really punt anymore as feel racing is too corrupt.
Did you see the ride on Mr Walhs, come on now, that was unfortunately just terrible.
The equivalent of me showing up for work 6 hours late….
If they ever bring out a system of banning jockeys/punishment for careless riding then I will start punting again seriously, but at the moment it seems like this game isnt about picking the best horse but rather picking the jockey with a brain, maybe thats where I go wrong haha.
Mr Walsh must be ashamed for connections today, unfortunately as with all horse racing stables in Ireland, this young lad is connected through his family and for that reason will pick up more mounts…
Its not a punters sport anymore, and Id go as far as saying its not a sport anymore when we see things like that. Just a shame
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If it’s too corrupt, and every jockey really is that bad, why are you even here? Is betting on Irish bumpers (which I believe you admitted to yesterday) the most sensible practice if you believe that dishonesty awaits at every turn?
Irish bumpers are not great betting I agree, but I was told about a horse in the last so was putting my faith in my contact, it was a risky bet I agree as bumpers are an unknown.
The reason I am here is I enjoy watching quality racing, its just a shame jockeys mistakes are now so frequent and as such are taking away from our sport.
If anyone here can sit here and say Mr Walsh rode well in that last race well then I dunno what to say.
Lets just wait until the next mistake, its bound to happen again today.
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