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Just wondering what everyone thinks on how important jockeys are?
For example in the 2pm at Ludlow just gone it was quite clear that R Greene basically lost the race on board Peacefull Means and P Hide was very very weak and bad on Apache Dawn.
I think a case can be made that if these jockeys were not on board that either horse would of won.
I persoanlly think it is unfortunately getting more and more common that jockeys are actually loosing races with poor rides, how confident can we as punters be in putting our money on these jockeys?
I didnt back Peacfull Means but if I did I would be disgusted at R Greene.
Its very sad that our jockyes are so bad at the moment bar 6 or 7
Just on this topic
Who is currently the worst jockey out there?
P Hide
S Durrack
R Hills
R Dobbin
A Thornton
The jockey…Just one of the many variables in racing which you take into consideration when picking winners. For example, one can also ask..Do I trust the going report, do I trust what the trainer says, do I trust the horse’s temperament? There’s more than just the jockey to worry about.
Wash your mouth out with soap and water so-called Micks54321.
Can you point to a UK race this year where R Hills:
a) has lost when he should have won?
b) has posted anything less than 100% perfect fractions?*
*optimum fractions are derived from all winners over that course and distance this year. A comparison is then made between actual fractions and optimum fractions.
Peaceful Means hung badly and although Roddy Green could possibly have made the manoever earlier (had his head down), think it was more the horse’s fault. As it was Green almost stole the race by getting a lead which was to his credit.
Am not a great fan of Philip Hide, his judgement of pace (imo) is not good. Although didn’t the winner come from further back there? He did go from cruising to all out in a stride which can not have helped.
On the bigger picture, I think jockeyship is over-rated by most punters. Most jockeys are of similar ability. I’d say AP and Ruby may be worth a pound or two, Choc and Barry possibly. The rest are much of a muchness, though the over all standard has never been better.
There are certain horses that go better for one jockey or another, however, I think the main attribute good jockeys have is consistency. Making more right decisions and fewer poorer ones than others. Remember it is the horse’s hooves that are on the ground not the jockey’s feet. So the amount a jockey can do to make a difference is restricted.
Mark
Value Is EverythingOh yes I know that.
My point I guess is bad rides are loosing races. If the ground is soft, then you know its soft beforehand, however when you get quite a somehwat idiotic ride like R Greene gave there, Can you calculate for that??? At the end of the day, I personally feel that R Greene rode a stinker there, say for example you gave such a standard of work in your own profession, what would happen, a verbal warning, a written warning, sacked???
Just feels that these jockyes can get away with a lot, and I mean a lot of sub standard performances, still take their fees and no more is said, the good thing for them is, they are only a bad ride until someone else gives a bad ride, so they are forgotten about v v v quickly
I personally have jockeys I never back.
A Thornton, R Hills, and S Durack.
Even if R Hills was on Sindar in a claimer I wouldnt touch him
I suppose it doenst really help when we have the likes of K Ghunowa do that.
For myself Mr K Ghunowa should now be banned for 14 days, you may laugh but I honestly do, he was on the best horse, was too cocky, the responce wasnt great but he should of won.
If I did the equivilent of that in work I would be given a written warning.
Jockeys like these are ruining our sport.
Morriarty gave the winner a good race but honestly you have to feel sorry for people who backed Don Pele and recieved such a ride.
For me ban for 14 days, then he has to pass some form of remidial riding course.
Im sorry but thats how I feel
R Hills is a terrible flat jockey, I cant name rides for 2009 yet, but log back in 4 months and I will have an endless list.
I used to be a big gambler but Im happy to say I have really scaled down, as to me putting say £200 on a horse to win a race, the horse turning out to be the best, but then for some jockey (being paid £150 for riding) to screw up isnt really getting value for my £200
Yes on the other hand we do have fantastic jockeys , but for every 1 great jockey there seems to be 20 or 30 brainless jockeys.
The standard is just terribly bad.
Roddy Green was only in that position because of a very good ride in the first seven eigths of the race. It was primarily the horses fault. Everyone makes mistakes.
I wish there were more punters with your views Micks, then R.Hills, A. Thornton, R. Green ridden horses would be even better value.
Even Walsh rode a poor ride on Mourad in the Triumph, giving him too much to do and not going for everything soon enough. Are you going to back Ruby again?
Mark
Value Is EverythingMark
I never back horses at odds of 3/1 or greater, as for me horse racing is dodgy enough without having market confidence, I have honestly never seen Ruby give a favourite a bad ride.
Hills gets beaten on countless odds on and short priced favourites which to me is sign of a bad jockey
Durack is Amazing
Greene is just bad, Im sorry he is just bad.
How do you feel about the ride of K Ghunowa there at Southwell.
Lets look at the facts here, this jockey was riding a horse with over 400k placed on him, his ride has lost people 400k, Yes the horse did not find much when asked but was the manner in which he was over confident, do you think it is ok for him to get away without a fine,any action? Just interested to hear your view.
For me, he should be banned for 14 days and have to then pass course.
Found this video on youtube the other day as well as putting a smile on my face it kind of fits in with the topic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3WTe9diL0U
Would you have backed anyhting ridden by Seb after that ?
God I cant stand Francome.
For me there is no excuse for that.
I personally feel Seb should of been banned for 6 months for that.
You see if you start introducing bans like this you will put the fear of god into jockeys and they will stop this mucking around and ride properly, then you will also get horses properly handicapped, and also stop some of the corruption.
I think it is fair to say horse racing is corrupt, anyone here who disagress, well I dont know what to say, its corrupt.
Racing would be better off without jockeys who do this, new viewers to the sport, if that was the first race they saw, they would probably laugh and never watch the sport again.
Introduce proper bans and then we can clean this corrupt sport up, or maybe they dont want to??
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I take it you’ve done your nuts today then, micks54321?
As for your comment about Seamus Durack, I’d advise removing it immediately.
Just in the last there, on the flipside, evidence of what a great ride by McCoy, totally outrode Brennan.
Doing my nut, no havnt backed anything "yet".
Waiting for bumper at Clonmel
I’d remove that comment about Durack as well mate. You can’t say things like that without cast iron proof or you ask for trouble.
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