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Its just unfortunate these days that it is not a case of picking the best horse.
More and more the best horse is loosing because a bad jockey is riding.
Pundits always talk about form, should we now start talking about jockey form?
Ha ha Durack definitely isn’t how you label him now
.Jockeys are very important IMO especially in the big races. People say any jockey would’ve won on most of Ruby’s winners at Cheltenham but that isn’t true, Ruby is a class act and he suits class horses. For me McCoy is a workhorse but when it comes to a top horse, top meeting, top race Id rather have Ruby on my side.
On the flat you want Murtagh, Fallon.
Is racing corrupt? To a certain extent yes of course it is.
I think Murtagh is top class now I will explain why;
If I put 200 pound on a horse Murtagh is riding, I know for a fact,well as best as I can that my horse will be ridden well and if it looses 99.9% of the time it will not be Murtaghs fault. I have full confidence in Murtagh, If he gets it wrong I would forgive him because he rarely rarely gets it wrong, by the way Im not just talking about O Brien Mounts, Im talking about him in handicaps etc.
For me its just such a shame jockeys out there can charge 100-200 pound for doing a 2/3 min job which a lot of the time they do really really really bad
The only jockey whose mounts I no longer bet on is Jamie Spencer.
Why? Because you just don’t know which Jamie Spencer is going to turn up on any given day. Good jockey, but too unpredictable for my liking. He’s either brilliant or hopeless – depending on his daily mood.
So, for that reason alone ( in the words of those "Dragons" ), as far as putting money on the horses he rides …
I’m out !
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Himself even Jamie Spencer would’ve won on Arkle though
Sorry couldn’t resist.
I do agree with Mick largely, there are certain jockeys you know will ride your horse proerly and won’t be at fault if it loses. There aren’t many you can say that about thats why they are top jockeys.
Yeah I can understand your point on Spencer, he is annoying like that, when he is going well he is an absolute fantastic jockey but unfortunately you dont know what Spencer you are getting.
I would rather a jock like Murtagh, not flashy, not fashionable to watch in his style but he gets the job done.
Another I forgot to mention is D Condon over chases, over hurdles he is ok but over fences no no no no no, I saw him one day ride Moneytrix at Ayr, he basically got him beat and could not forgive him for that, he either doesnt have a brain or is scared of fences, I dont know if anyone saw the race but it was very very bad, id rather avoid
These days we see more bad rides than good rides, but the jockeys really dont have to care, you cant get banned for a bad ride, and as I said before there seems to be a bad ride every day so its old news before you know it. Yes they have a hard job but I can tell you many people have harder jobs and worse paid
Denis O’Regan is a jockey I like and Hayley Turner. They are jockeys I trust. If I back one of their horses I don’t worry about how it is likely to be ridden.
Dettori on the other hand ………….. still haven’t forgotten the ride he gave Authorized in the Eclipse. Yes I know I bear a long grudge.
For me D O Regan is a fantastic jockey, his style is un matched and he is perfectly made for Johnson horses. I have full confidence in his ability, I remeber he rode a horse (Cool Operator I think) earlier in season which reason should of been carried out by a H Knight horse but O Regan did incredibly well and kept on course and ended up winning.
O Regan is one I have full confidence in and once again if horse lost I would not be blaming O Regan as full confidence he is v v v v v compatent
You will never win them all but helps when you can blame yourself for selection rather than balaming a jockey for not having a brain, its bad enough loosing but when its a jockeys fault you really do feel robbed.
Unfortunately bad jockeys are out there riding day in day out, you cannot avoid them so I dont punt big anymore.
Maybe we should start handicapping horses by jockey ability, now that would be interesting.
Jamie Spencer is absolute top class, even in a 0-65 handicap last night at Kempton in the opener he delivered a supreme ride. I can’t recall that horse winning off the front yet he managed to ride an inch perfect ride from the front out of stall 2. He is an ultimate horseman.
Its just unfortunate these days that it is not a case of picking the best horse.
But it never was!
Jockeyship is just another aspect to take in to account. As temperament, form, going, distance, pace, trainer, course; are all other important aspects.
But above all price is the most important.
If you never back anything at 3/1 or bigger, then you are probably one of those who believe:
If it has the best form it should win; therefore, it must be the jockeys fault if it does not win.Mark
Value Is EverythingNo that wouldnt be my thought, my thoughts behind backing @ 3/1 is more got to do with market confidence, obviously If I back a horse I think its the best horse. If a 7/4 shot of mine gets beat I will gladly say it is my fault for picking the horse as not best on the day, my point is I find myself more and more finding fault with jockeys for horses not winning. For example I backed Moneytrix that day, he was the best horse and it was the jockeys fault he lost. But another examply, I backed Kasbah Bliss, that in no way was the jockeys fault, it was my fault for believing he was best in field.
Take a look at O’Regan on Tidal Bay in the Ryanair.
He seemed to give up coming down the hill. Despite being on a reluctant temperamental horse. Had he persevered he would probably have been placed. Not that I am complaining.
If you have a copy, take a look.
What tends to happen is punters who have lost money on a poor ride get prejudiced and remember those races.
I mean, I have even made a profit from backing Sean Fox!
Mark
Value Is EverythingWhat did you think of Spencer on Papillio in the last ? Surely he was to blame for horse not finishing in first three, no /yes?
The reason for him running on was he got second wind down the hill. O Regan wasnt pushing at top of hill as was actually going to pull up before he got second wind, I dont think you can blame O Regan for that, was just a freak of a run.
O Regan wasnt taking it easy on purpose, he was actually going to pull him up, so I think that race is best written off.
Missed the race, I don’t bother with flat racing until after the National.
So can’t comment Micks.
Spencer is not my favourite jockey, much rather have Seb, but if I back "Frank" I know what I am getting. Is very good on a hold up horse when the pace is good. But when the pace is slow, he rarely seems to change tactics, ie should try to get in to it before the pace quickens.
Mark
Value Is EverythingThe reason for him running on was he got second wind down the hill. O Regan wasnt pushing at top of hill as was actually going to pull up before he got second wind, I dont think you can blame O Regan for that, was just a freak of a run.
O Regan wasnt taking it easy on purpose, he was actually going to pull him up, so I think that race is best written off.
If he was thinking of pulling up then it was an even worse ride, fact is had he pushed him down the hill, he’d’ve been closer at the finish.
Sorry, don’t believe in "second winds". Horses "stay on" or in the case of Tidal Bay "consent to run faster".
Tidal Bay needs to have his mind made up for him nowadays. Like to see AP on board.
Mark
Value Is EverythingAP Would kill the horse!!!!
I dont rate Tidal Bay anymore this season, too many excuses, just dont think he is in love with the game this season, rest him until October, bring him back to Down Royal with Kato. Break could do him the world of good, no doubt however they will run him in Betfair Bowl
I dont really back anymore so all my views are talking from nuetral viewpoint, still annoys me to see idiot jockeys
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