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Any other suggestions for the racecourse? York and Thirsk don’t seem to be right if we’re looking for a winner in the timeframe.
If the jockey is definitely DL Jones and the trainer likely to be Charles Elsey, I can search on this combination for winners in 1947 and 1948 (assuming it’s a winner).
....and you've got to look a long way back for anything else.
Any other suggestions for the racecourse? York and Thirsk don’t seem to be right if we’re looking for a winner in the timeframe.
If the jockey is definitely DL Jones and the trainer likely to be Charles Elsey, I can search on this combination for winners in 1947 and 1948 (assuming it’s a winner).
What about the owner? William Humble?
Value Is EverythingI agree apart from the armlets the colours look similar. Could they be second colours on the picture?
Did Davey Jones ride Nearsula in the Thirsk Classic Trial?
Colours could be of William Humble. That owner’s Charles Elsey trained 2000 Guineas winner Nearsula had similar colours (although pictures I’ve seen also had armlets). Nearsula won the Thirsk Classic Trial by 6 lengths, but that was in 1953. Wondered if other Elsey Classic contenders ran there?Would “William Humble” be Willam Humble Ward (2nd Lord Dudley)?
If it is anything to do with William Humble, this William Humble is not the Earl Of Dudley but an aviator and grandfather of TV Wildlife presenter Kate Humble.
http://www.afleetingpeace.org/index.php/aviators/h
Value Is EverythingNearula was ridden by Edgar Britt in the Thirsk Classic Trial, a few years outside the timeframe if the original info is correct.
....and you've got to look a long way back for anything else.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Crepello1957 wrote:</div>
Someone on this thread said they could check all the winners from those years. Maybe they should look at important races at Thirsk in early summer 1947 where Charles Elsey trained a winner ridden by DL Jones.Nothing matches, no winners for Charles Elsey at Thirsk in 1947 or 1948. No winners at Thirsk at all in 1947. Only four 2 day meetings at Thirsk each season in those days.
DL Jones winners at Thirsk in 1948:
Sat 24th April – Sowerby H’cap – Lucky Legend 3-y-o bay gelding Trainer: Dutton (Malton), Owner: Mrs GM Morrell.
Sat 2nd October – New Buildings H’cap – Lucky Legend 3-y-o bay gelding Trainer: Dutton (Malton) Owner: Mrs GM Morrell.
Fri 29th October – Sessay Nursery H’cap – Atomic Peril 2-y-o Chestnut filly Trainer/Owner: M Vasey (Doncaster).Has anyone got the colours for these owners particularly Melton Vasey as Crepello reckons it could be a filly?
Puzzling pic. Always – always – with this sort of query I find that the person asking the question has another little bit of info which he didn’t think worth mentioning. Often it is a vital clue. Northern Echo stamp on botton corner so it’s a local pic. There has to be a local connection and the course has to be between York to Newcastle with the old Stockton course bang in the middle. Not a big crowd so it isn’t a big race day. The hoss looks a bit of a nag and the jock a veteran, hardly Freddie Palmer on a Classic winner (my at-a-glance guess). Only way a sailor in uniform would be leading in a winner – has to be a winner from the smiles – is if he had a family or very close connection with the stable. He is also on the correct side to be leading a nag so he knows what’s what.. He probably helped out on leave from the RN. Only trainer called Moore from the two years you’ve mentioned was V.S.Moore who trained at Richmond House, Malton. Now Malton would have been on the edge of the Northern Echo circulation area so that would be the local angle. Mrs Moore and hubby both owned horses and my bet is that it’s mum’s horse and son is leading it in. As it doesnt look likely to be a famous horse I give up. If this is of any help do let me know and I’ll pick up the reins again.
…this was from the racing club chap who’s good with old photos. Still hoping that Chris Pitt et al might have a few more ideas.That’s the bit I thought of yesterday…that Norette said she was trying to find out if what she had heard was true, the family owned racehorses!
I’m finding this a fascinating thread, but I do have a passion for old photos. I was left a family photo when my mum died and her cousin gave me the names of the people on it. I put the names in a ‘safe’ place and then lost them. Oh the relief I felt when I did find a copy of the names; I felt I’d ‘lost’ those people in some way, and there was no one left in the family who could help me. As the racing club man said, there is one piece from this jigsaw that will tie all the information together.
Some colours info following Yeats & Moehats last post.
From 1947 Ruffs Guide
GM Morrell – prussian blue & flame hoops , striped sleeves , qtd cap.
M Vasey – holly green , cream sleeves.
VS Moore -scarlet , saxe blue striped sleeves , gold cap.They all seem to have strayed from the 16 colours allowed nowadays !!
W Humble’s colours are described as “two hoops” in 1947 BUT they were also described as such in 1958 and on the schweppes racing calendar of 1959 there’s one of his horses and it has the armlets as carried by Nearula years earlier. I’m pretty certain it’s not a Humble horse – not in that sense of the word anyway.
Sorry not to give any encouragment.
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W Humble owned winners at Thirsk and York in 1947 and 1948:
Fri 23rd April 1948, Thirsk – Mowbray Plate – Valkyrie 2-y-o brown filly EC Elliott/RJ Colling.
Tue 25th May 1948, York – Knavesmire Stakes – Valkyrie 2-y-o brown filly GW Richards/RJ Colling.Any winners with a “Moore” connection:
Fri 25th April 1947, Thirsk – Hambleton Handicap – Red Robin 8-y-o bay horse Jockey: D Page Trainer: V. Moore (Malton) Owner: Mrs VS Moore.
Sat 1st Nov 1947, Thirsk – Malton Handicap – Clever Lad 6-y-o chestnut horse Jockey: J Sime Trainer: Cooper (Doncaster) Owner: H Moore.
None of these winners seem to tally with the picture. The words straw and clutching spring to mind.
....and you've got to look a long way back for anything else.
Looking at those people espmadrid; are there any results for Stockton Racecourse?
Value Is EverythingI am wondering if it is not a winning horse after all.
Why would Bill Elsey have given it to Thirsk racecourse if it was at York, Stockton or some other Northern course?
Why would Highfield Stables have a copy if there was no connection with the stable?Looking at those people espmadrid; are there any results for Stockton Racecourse?
No winners at Stockton are even possibilities as far as I can see.
....and you've got to look a long way back for anything else.
BINGO!!
Just for now I’ll give you a clue – the picture was taken on 18th August 1947 (I was wrong about the light)
BINGO!!
Just for now I’ll give you a clue – the picture was taken on 18th August 1947 (I was wrong about the light)
Horse Gracious Son
Jockey Davy Jones
Course Redcar
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Just as an aside on jockey Davy Jones, he won the Kenya Derby in 1970 aged 62 and he returned to the UK riding work at Cheltenham when he was aged 80.
He rode Cheltenham Gold Cup winner Red Rower in 1945 and yet could do 7st 12lb on the Flat. Two of his sons became jockeys and on one race day at Salisbury, Son and Father won the first and second race on the card.
Terrific stuff.
Found the information on:-
https://sites.google.com/site/jockeypedia/
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
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