Hayley Turner

[Salselon]

The problem is Salse, that you don’t seem capable of taking your own advice (see yesterday). This thread was a new member asking for an opinion about Hayley. It’s my opinion that she does not possess the stamina to be as successful over long distances as she is over shorter.
You are now getting personal ("sound mind") and doing yourself a grave injustice. As a senior member you set a fine example.

Again, how can a jockey have ‘stamina’ limitations?

I am not a senior member, i am a member.

Who’s Salse?

[Ken(West Derby)]

Unless you have some psychiatric qualifications how can you diagnose someone as not being of sound mind, Salselon?
As you’ve been posting since 2005, I respect your experience and seniority and someone who should know better than to get personal.

[rory]

Unless you have some psychiatric qualifications how can you diagnose someone as not being of sound mind, Salselon?

Believe me Ken, it’s a judgement I have to make every day, qualified or not.

[Ken(West Derby)]

On reflection, I was wrong, yet again. Ever had one of those weeks when you’re totally out of synch. with one and all. As for staying power, I came out fighting earlier on but now I’m wilting and haven’t got the energy to carry on. Put this down as "Pulled Up" after just a furlong.

P.S. You know where I went wrong, don’t you? It was early morning when I looked at the stats. Either my brain or my eyes were deceiving me and I misinterpreted furlongs into miles.
Am I forgiven everyone?

[graysonscolumn]

There is no such concept as ‘stamina’ when assessing the relative merits of a jockey.

Oh, be assured that there’s every such thing as comparative jockey stamina in certain point-to-point / hunters’ chases I’ve seen, even if nowhere else!

Maybe it is assumed that all professional riders are hard fit and that their physical effort can be maintained to the line every time. I don’t know. Others here will.

gc

Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.

[Salselon]

Jeremy,

2 things;

– I wouldn’t really class point to points under the banner of horse racing
– secondly, do you not mean fitness, as opposed to stamina?

[Ken(West Derby)]

Been out shopping. Got some fresh air into my lungs. What’s that Mr. Commentator, you thought Ken had pulled up at the back of the field but now you can see he’s continuing and he’s finishing like a train…..
Firefox: The figures you mention are freely available on the ATR site – no need to register or anything… right hand side there’s a search box, type in jockey’s name and scroll away from horse to jockey, next page will show jockey’s name, click on that name and you get stats for last eight years plus distances, owners, trainers, months, courses etc. (Apologies if you already knew this, folks)

[graysonscolumn]

I wouldn’t really class point to points under the banner of horse racing

Hunhh? Are you sure you’re an Irishman?

secondly, do you not mean fitness, as opposed to stamina?

Fitness = Good health or physical condition
Stamina = Physical strength to resist or withstand fatigue; endurance

I’d suggest that whilst all professional and most amateur riders are hard fit through occupational requirement or their own fitness regimes, that doesn’t necessarily translate to being able to operate at their optimum level of strength to the very end of every race.

Were that not so, you’d still have as many riders fresh as paint at the end of a muddy renewal of the Grand National as you would a 2m4f pelt round Market Rasen. I’m not entirely convinced that is the case – no more than I am that a 100m runner and a 200m runner of comparable fitness levels could see out a 400m trip equally as well as each other, for example – and as such I do still regard the two as distinct.

gc

Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.

[graysonscolumn]

double post.

Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.

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