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- November 30, 2008 at 22:58 #193399
Fist,
I’d love to retire a horse who won 50k GBP race two weeks ago and picked up 8k euro today for finishing third.
JohnJ
November 30, 2008 at 23:31 #193406I thought Brave inca ran fantastically well and he travelled beuatifully. Really fine training performance from a very decent trainer.
The future?
Is the world hurdle out of the question? Looks a good target to me
November 30, 2008 at 23:46 #193411Clivex,
Don’t think I saw BI travel so well during a race, would love to see Davy Russell ride him over two miles. But a brilliant return to the race track from such a genuine horse.
JohnJ.
December 1, 2008 at 00:43 #193424Clive,
On the evidence of today I thought he looked more than quick enough to go for the champion agai? It’s hardly a vintage year and despite Fists protestations, Brave Inca at his best would have beaten Katchit et al.
He looked pretty burly as well today. So a bit more to come perhaps.
December 1, 2008 at 01:17 #193429Hardy and Inca have to be kept to 2m4f maximum IMO. Yes they are staying types rather than speedsters but they are not 3m hurdlers. Both should be aimed at the Champion Hurdle. Beware of BI and the bounce factor next time though.
December 1, 2008 at 01:27 #193431Fist,
I’d love to retire a horse who won 50k GBP race two weeks ago and picked up 8k euro today for finishing third.
JohnJ
Good point JJ but can you honestly see him winning another decent race this season? If he’s happy doing it I suppose I’m a bit out of order in saying retire him.
Realistically though this season can only be a repeat of last at best when he won early on and then ran well enough to pick up some place money but come the crunch when others were at the top of their form he wasn’t even sighted.
If anything he is likely to meet much better horses this season than last and I doubt if from now on in, he will bring much fun to his die hard fans,
December 1, 2008 at 01:44 #193432He is still running credibly though Fist, he beat home some decent horses today, once he is enjoying his races I see no reason to retire him.
JohnJ.
December 1, 2008 at 01:55 #193437With Inglis Drever looking like being retired I’d like to see Hardy Eustace aimed at the World Hurdle.
December 1, 2008 at 02:16 #193441Clive,
On the evidence of today I thought he looked more than quick enough to go for the champion agai? It’s hardly a vintage year and despite Fists protestations, Brave Inca at his best would have beaten Katchit et al.
He looked pretty burly as well today. So a bit more to come perhaps.
Of course it was nice to see Brave Inca come back but the Champion Hurdle???…….I thought it was a good race to watch but a poor race overall. Catch Me is a good horse but no where near the highest class.
Brave Inca has a mountain to climb to take on those we will see at Cheltenham whether it be the Champion or the World hurdle and if he went for the former he wouldn’t see the way they went. But be my guest he’s around 25/1 for both and bookies love sentimental punters.
Sorry if that sounds a bit off but I really think you are letting your heart rule your brain.
The horse I would follow and IMO he will beat Catch Me and Brave Inca if they meet again anytime soon is Muirhead. Carberry had a good peek at them today and he definately wasn’t anywhere near fit. Would love to know what his long term target is?
December 1, 2008 at 02:19 #193442With Inglis Drever looking like being retired I’d like to see Hardy Eustace aimed at the World Hurdle.
Behave yourself David your giving me a headache
December 1, 2008 at 03:57 #193465Was a wee bit disappointed with Muirhead today. I thought he’d have finished third if he hadn’t made a mistake two out though. He was held up to get the two and a half miles but he probably didn’t get home in the ground. Paul didn’t knock him about and I would expect an improved showing next time.
I’d say they’ll drop him back to two miles now Fists and I could see him turning the form around with the horses in front of him if he meets them over that trip. Not sure of a long term target. He didn’t travel well over to Cheltenham last year so it wouldn’t surprise me if they campaigned him exclusively in Ireland, but if he did win impressively over two miles I’m sure Noel would be tempted to run in the Champion.
December 1, 2008 at 04:22 #193474Clive,
Carberry had a good peek at them today and he definately wasn’t anywhere near fit. Would love to know what his long term target is?Your grasp of Irish trainer trends is tip top tonight FOF. Yes Noel Meade leaves plenty to work on with his horses early in the season while Willie Mullins (Cousin Vinnie for instance) has his hard as nails and as fit as fleas first time out…
December 1, 2008 at 12:39 #193498They are not robots mate hoses for courses as they say. I think it was more a case of him knowing which is the better by far and they pretty much ran on merit…….if you think Muirhead was 100% who am I to argue with you? time will tell
December 1, 2008 at 15:04 #193521What a great run from Brave Inca, great to see.
December 1, 2008 at 15:53 #193545Was disappointed that Hardy Eustace wasn’t battling out the finish to be honest. Doesn’t really make Sizing Europe or Jered look great does it even if the former will come on for the run.
December 1, 2008 at 16:57 #193564hoses for courses as they say
The ground is soft or heavy – hardly much need for watering.
December 1, 2008 at 16:59 #193566Was disappointed that Hardy Eustace wasn’t battling out the finish to be honest. Doesn’t really make Sizing Europe or Jered look great does it even if the former will come on for the run.
I think both Sizing Europe and Jered are ones to watch for the rest of the season. Sizing will come on for the run last time, no problem, and can see him contesting the finish up the hill in March.
Jered needs quick ground to be at his best. Would have no problem turning around form with Hardy over 2 miles on quick ground. Not sure if he’ll get it quick enough even at Cheltenham, though, given the tendency to leave it Good to Soft for the first day of the Festival. Reckon he’ll be the one to beat at Punchestown in April, though.
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