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It would make perfect sense for them to relocate their horses in training to France, and they shouldn’t be criticised if they do.
What a pity for your relentless anti-Anglo Saxon jibes that they’ve been there and done that, Venusian.
Sheikh Mohammed brought Evry Racehorse in the middle nineties (1992/93?)and installed David Loder as house trainer, moving most of his horses overseas. It was such a blow to British racing at the time that Shadow Foreign Secretary Cook wrote to Sheikh Mohammed and asked him to reconsider. The Sheikh did not do so and was affronted, even shocked. Cook’s intervention nearly cost us the support of the Maktoum for two decades.
Only the hyper loyal Sheikh Hamdan stayed behind. As it transpired, the operation was a complete failure. They weren’t made welcome in France. The results were appalling. Evry turned out to be a disaster in terms of preparing horses and the staff and, it has to be said, owners, preferred racing in Great Britain. They’ve been here ever since despite France being much easier to get to from Dubai and having comparatively higher prize money.
Today, Crisford said they enjoy their facilities in Newmarket, the world centre of horse racing, but he did say that they will be looking further afield to race their horses if certain criteria aren’t met. That’s a worry.
Fair play too – it’s about time Arena, Northern Racing and Jockey Club racecourses got the shot across the bows from the big cannons that they richly deserve. The Media Rights payment is more than enough to pay the tariff and this winter has been an embarrassment to everyone concerned.
It would make perfect sense for them to relocate their horses in training to France, and they shouldn’t be criticised if they do.
What a pity for your relentless anti-Anglo Saxon jibes that they’ve been there and done that, Venusian.
The failure of the Loder experiment had nothing to do with any fundamental problems with training racehorses in France.
If that were the case, then how have French-based trainers managed to win so many top races over the years?
What "anti-Anglo Saxon jibes"? (Never mind "relentless")
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The sixth sick sheik’s sixth sheep’s sick, to put it into one easy phrase.
The racecourses weren’t going to just go “oh, you’ve got this new tariff, we’ll meet it because you’ve told us to do so.” A 999/1 shot with Arena Leisure and Northern Racing around.
The distribution of prize money in Britain needs to be improved. In an ideal world, racecourses would meet the tariff of every race first, rather than just having stand-out race/s to bolster the value of a card, but it‘s not going to happen.
For example, yet again, on Sunday, the JCR owned Wincanton are below the tariff. This is coming just a week and a bit since the Cheltenham Festival was £1.8m over the tariff, which featured the Cheltenham Gold Cup with record prize money.
Protesting or boycotting over the Lockinge, imo, remains unnecessary and arguably foolish. If the boycott/protest is successful it could result in a downgrade. And then the race becomes tariff positive again?
As the ROA article points out on their website, there’s the potential for Godolphin to boycott the Gold Cup at Ascot. Well, if the Meydan Gold Cup keeps Sheik Mohammed happy when he races against himself, good for him. There are about 4 races outside of Europe that I can think of that hold Group/Grade 1 status on the flat over 2m+.
63000 Euro’s up for a Fairly poor Irish Flat card 2moro night.
19000 Sterling up for Lingfied
23000 Sterling up for WolvesAdding 2 meetings together from England that comes around 20k short of Dundalk and say exchange rates make it 15k. Now i don’t know how English trainers work under such tight margins. When is the levy going to be sorted???…
I think The Dubai based guys now have Richard Hannon on the book. I would also like Coolmore to support their English cousins and publicly make a stand that they will not send horses to race in England unless Prize Money is helped. These Big operations in reality dont need the extra cash but its the principle that needs to be reinforced not for them but for the guys who are struggling with the yard full of 70 rated handicappers
Godolphin haven’t seemed too worried about the income of smaller trainers and their stable staff in the past when they have fielded two runners in maidens at pontefract, thirsk etc
Godolphin haven’t seemed too worried about the income of smaller trainers and their stable staff in the past when they have fielded two runners in maidens at pontefract, thirsk etc
Have they broken any rules or laws. How many times does Paul Nicholls run 2 horses in a race. Seems a bit off point for me. They run these horses because they need runs into them. In a ideal world i am sure they love to have 1 runner in each maiden but logistically it may not be that easy
No, they haven’t broken any rules. The point I was trying to make was that now that godolphin has got so huge, they are having runners in races that a few years back they would never have dreamt of having runners in. They had top class horses running in top races. Now they have multiple runners in maidens, nurseries, handicaps at a lot of the minor tracks and this then impacts the smaller stables. You could argue that the prize money for a redcar nursery is irrelevant for a small stable if two godolphin horses and a johnston runner in red and green fight out the finish.
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You mean too much prize money for races without commercial interest (betting that is) ?
And as a result too little prize money for other races ?I believe there should be rules.
If the race is considered to have no commercial interest then the prize money should be slashed (e.g. walkovers).
In this way the same horse stands a chance of a higher prize in a better race, but the management of the prize fund is better.To increase the fund there is only one probable answer:
More customers.
The horse race supremos should scratch their hands to bring more customers and of course not steal from the punters in an attempt to make ends meet. That’s self defeating and the sales graph goes down, through the floor.Isn’t Horseracing been as popular as ever?
Surely the money coming from betting should be increasing prize money massively.
THis all comes down to Exchanges/The Levy and someone has to sort it out
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Isn’t Horseracing been as popular as ever?
Surely the money coming from betting should be increasing prize money massively.
THis all comes down to Exchanges/The Levy and someone has to sort it out
No it is n’t and the trends are negative.
There are many factors that contribute to this.Horse racing is as popular as it’s ever been.
Unfortunately so is football, rugby, cricket & moving your online betting business offshore.
Not to mention the courses offering alternative revenue sources apparently without putting any of the money they make from it into prize money.
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The issue of betting company taxation is now being tackled by the E.U..
Commissionair Michel Barnier issued a Green Paper today, about which we shall have to say more once we go through it.
But the biggest problem is the drive towardsexcessive taxation
that makes betting impossible and most of us will have to abandon (unless we become burglars).
The basic idea is that internet companies should be taxed depeending on the source country of their business. So for example betfair pays tax to UK for its UK customers, to Portugal for its Portuguese customers and so on. That means the company has to split into sort of departments "UK department", "Portuguese department", "Greek department" etc.If however it so turns out that if we win some races and heve to pay as well at the desk instead of collecting, its curtains.
The ultras want to have it that way.
Yesterday first day of greyhound betting in Greece (Salonika only) the house percentage was 30%, in place of the 20% Ladbrokes are doing. That is they take the Ladbrokes price and cut it by an additional 10%.
Too many a hapless card sharp were let lose in the Arizona desert by the feds for doing that (with tar and feathers) but in our case it is <<the law>> !If the particular gaming operator finds some victims, it will be for a short while because it’s daylight robbery, but what does he care ?
He will offer something else afterwards.
Maybe cat racing.It’s taxation without representation.
Dictatorships everywhere.
Furthermore an innocent webmaster like the owner of this forum for example stands a chance of going to prison for displaying one or two banners and possibly over content as well.
If the pressure groups made up by the ultras had their way 100% I ‘d be writing to you from Sing Sing already (they offer internet, I hope, as part of the get-back-to-society rehabilitation program).Horse racing is as popular as it’s ever been.
Unfortunately so is football, rugby, cricket & moving your online betting business offshore.
Not to mention the courses offering alternative revenue sources apparently without putting any of the money they make from it into prize money.
THIS.
Basically what Anthony put.
The ECB, Premier League, FA, RFU, RFL etc. aren’t trying to take a cut of everything wagered on their events either – and it’s not built essentially on a system that rewards cheating and deception.
A bookmaker would rather take £2m on rugby union, rugby league and football than on racing as they don’t have to pay levy on those products and they’re straight.
Likewise they’d rather take £2m on South African racing than UK racing for the exact same reasons.
British racing has made a rod for its own back by allowing racecourses to effectively giveaway race sponsorship and just put up the levy money for prize money whilst combining this with 95% of our races being of the "worse you run the better chance you have next time".
Try explaining to a newcomer why the horse with 000000 next to its name is now more likely to win than the one with the 324312 next to its name.
Martin
I recall a post by apracing a while back about Newbury not putting all of its race sponsorship income into prizemoney. Is that widespread across the racecourses and do they have a valid reason for doing this?
According to The RP as things stand, Godolphin wont have runners in The Ascot Gold Cup, St Jame’s Palace or the Queen Anne.
http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-ra … gbusiness/
Behind the wall for some of us but the headline is easy to take a conclusion from.
Ascot (supposedly) need to get 3 Group 1 races up-to £256,034 for Royal Ascot under the cleverly devised category of the Horsemen’s Tariff – "Saturday and Festivals."
That works out at £10k extra x 3. If it is Ascot’s intention to meet the tariff for every Royal Ascot race, and they’re struggling for the money, (doubt it) they can always start scraping some money off the needlessly over-inflated Champion Stakes.
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