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There was interesting article in the "i" today.
It will be interesting to see if "Simon Crisford" acts on his threat this summer:-
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/raci … 51050.html
Regards
Britain seems to be more about bookies/exchanges making profits from gambling addicts on dismal cards at Lingfield rather than quality thoroughbread racing. If that’s what the people want(?).
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So the operation "immune to the bottom line" is complaining about…well…the bottom line? Is it an argument that crosses their mind when they’re skinning breeders for allowing their mares to spend some ‘quality time’ with Dubawi, Shamardal or Cape Cross?
I’m sure Saeed Bin Suroor can train losers in France in much the same way he can train losers here. Failing that, he can stay in Dubai and race for the Sheikh’s own money.
Is there anywhere available to find out what the prize money of the Prix D’Ispahan is this year? I know France Galop were revelling in the success of their Tote monopoly last year with increases in prize money due.
With Godolphin’s move to support the tariff, I do hope it doesn’t result in Newbury cutting money off of lesser races later in the year to ‘find’ the £56k for the Lockinge. That wouldn’t help stable staff or anyone at the lower end of the sport. It certainly wouldn’t help the tariff, either. It would do the opposite.
If Newbury really want to make the race tariff positive they should run the race on a Monday in future years, no? Then Sheik Mohammed can come and play if they put up an extra £600…. the brains in racing.
So the operation "immune to the bottom line" is complaining about…well…the bottom line? Is it an argument that crosses their mind when they’re skinning breeders for allowing their mares to spend some ‘quality time’ with Dubawi, Shamardal or Cape Cross?
I’m sure Saeed Bin Suroor can train losers in France in much the same way he can train losers here. Failing that, he can stay in Dubai and race for the Sheikh’s own money.
AF, I know Godolphin haven’t been too successful the last few years, but as someone fairly new to the sport, they do seem to be interested in the ‘sport’ of thoroughbread racing. I don’t see them as exploiting the game for profit from nominations to their stallions as say Coolmore do and they seem to be a lot more honest about their horses form and chances than some operations, keeping punters reasonably well informed.
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All I’m saying, Equianonimity, is that Simon Crisford can’t declare that Godolphin are "immune to the bottom line" and then mask his dissatisfaction with prize money levels as Godolphin taking a stand on everyone else’s behalf. And it all comes across as wholly hypocritical when his gaffer is charging £55,000 for a session with Dubawi and paying nothing as a percentage of the profit directly back to racing.
It’s about time the BHA started charging breeders for the right to operate within in the industry, lessening the burden on bookmakers and thus making markets more competitive for punters.
And it all comes across as wholly hypocritical when his gaffer is charging £55,000 for a session with Dubawi and paying nothing as a percentage of the profit directly back to racing.
What Sheikh Mohammed and his brothers have put into racing over the last 25 years have subsidised the careers of hundreds, possibly even thousands of people employed in the racing industry.
Is there anywhere available to find out what the prize money of the Prix D’Ispahan is this year?
Jose,
It’s 250,000 Euros acording to the race program on the France Galop website.
AP
He does say that he’s concerned about the effect on the jobs of lads and lasses of the derisory prize money available at most meetings.
I don’t disagree with the notion of a mechanism streaming a percentage of stud fees back into the game rather than private pockets but it’s not going to work in this financial climate when a lot of the big operations are already putting money back in by sponsoring the bigger races.
On the racing levy, if operators were debarred from obtaining another licence a quarter mile down the road, then a quarter mile down the road from that, the levy would not be shrinking. Can’t believe that system!
It’ll be interesting to see the effect the Horseman’s Group agreement has. If they stick to their guns, we could end up a second tier nation, bringing up the rear behing France and Ireland! It’s not unimaginable that with the money on offer at the Dubai Festival, The Breeder’s Cup, Honk Kong, that very quickly, English Group Racing will be quality thoroughbread racing in name only.
Jose,
It’s 250,000 Euros acording to the race program on the France Galop website.
AP
Thanks.
At the moment (with currency conversions) the Prix D’Ispahan would be worth around 20k more than the Lockinge, and therefore less than our ‘Saturday’ tariff. Of course, the day of the week is all important.
For older horse Group 1’s in May, the Lockinge would be worth less than the two French races and the Tattersalls Gold Cup. I’d presume it is still worth more than the Italian Group 1. There’s also the (Sha Tin) Champions Mile in late April for milers with connections chasing prize money globally.
Simon Crisford is right.
How can anyone justify the pathetic money that the British Racing offers up to these operations. Ireland alone has maidens vast superior in terms of prizemoney still despite a massive reductions in Irish prize funds and lets not even start about France who seem to prove that a Tote Monopoly is the way forward for the good of Horse Racing. American Prize Money while put up by Casino’s etc is scary compared to Europe their running the worst horses for 20k pots.
I think the Gambling Addict comment is fairly spot on. Britain has no degraded itself now to putting on High Volume Low Margin Products for Punters. I personally believe that Godolphin and Abdullah has supported English Racing far too long for far to little return in covering even some basic costs. For me their is no reason why they cant knock a good few bob off Group 1 Races for a start. The levy has to be sorted out as soon as possible.
With bookmakers making record profits and racing recording record lows its getting extremly dangerous. British Racing has History that no other country has in Europe in strength and depth of races. But they are relying far too much on this to keep the foreign patronage inflow, sooner or later these guys will do a basic SWOT analysis and move their operation some where else as Racing is Worldwide sport. If Godolphin move to France and Darley stop sponsoring Racing in the UK…the whole thing will fall apart at the seems
Richard Hannon is now boycotting Windsor
and support the Dubai’s teams decision according to Cornelius (twitter)(spelling? my bad)
It may not be commonly known but 5% of prizemoney won goes directly to ‘the stable’. This is completely separate to the trainer’s deduction and the level of income of stable staff therefore has a very real link to the level of prizemoney.
I for one applaud Godolphin’s stance on the basis that they can afford not to run in sub-tariff races (whereas other owners don’t have the luxury of taking in a different race in France) and a high profile supporter of the tariff is exactly what is needed if it is to change the behaviour of racecourses.
On this note, Guineas’ worth £50k less each this year
due to Levy,
and not a shortfall in sponsorship:
Godolphin are quite right. They’ve poured untold millions into racing in the UK over the last 30 years.
It would make perfect sense for them to relocate their horses in training to France, and they shouldn’t be criticised if they do.
What wrong with British Racing?
I was reading a Tweet from Mick Channon about a week ago, he complained he had two winners on the AW at Wolverhampton, and stated it should cover the diesel costs.
Well done Sheikh Mo, the more who follow suit the better. Of course Mark Johnston will be boycotting all non tariff races.
This nonsense with poor prize money has gone on far too long, if courses can’t afford the tariff then don’t have the meeting.
When are the BHA & British racing going to pull their finger out and get something done?
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