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She broke her maiden for Chevely Park Stud and Sir Michael Stoute in 2010.She is a Galileo mare.Obviously purchased out of the yard maybe to have a runner at Cheltenham for young Mr. Magnier,who knows.
Please read ny reference to Effervesce in the appropriate thread. Sorry ,got things messed up.
By the way venusian I still believe that a flat miler will stay two over hurdles.Even as out of date as I am.But that is just the opinion on the eternal thruths about racing.The milers go faster, the hurdlers go faster. But it is the jumping that wins the NH. races.Schooling the horses to jump is the secret I suppose.Again just my opinion.I hate to admit it but I welcomed the start of the flat season at Baldoyle on St.Patricks Day for quite a few years.Never did fancy the famous dog show at RDS on the same day.Of course it is always hard to compare 3yo form with later form as many horses will perform adequately at distances beyond their optimum if they learn to settle and not waste their nervous energy. The current Champion Hurdler showed his best form as a 3yo in France over 8 furlongs. He ran respectably over 9f in a group 3 but as the pace in French pattern races is not always exacting it may not be wise to say he stayed the 9f well. On his 2 attempts at 10f he finished last. In conclusion, Hurricane Fly was best at a mile on the flat, with plenty of give underfoot.
I agree a "good" lad will take the horse round in the time asked for by the trainer for each lap. They will soon find out the horses capability.If he does not do so he won’t be riding for the trainer in future.A "good" lad is one who follows orders.Trainers more and more train by the clock.Aidan uses the clock all the time, I believe.
I don’t recognise that as the British way of traing andyod. Aidan may well use the clock but it is very much the American way I believe. However times change ( excuse the pun ). It is important to know that horses often work in pairs or groups. This will tell you how the horse is affected by other horses being close upsides. Some / many become more competitive in those situations , others need their confidence built.
There are no laps in Newmarket for instance. Work on the gallops is quite different from your view I think. In the early work the trainer might say " come a good second canter / half speed " for a particular distance etc.. They will tell them when to improve or move upsides etc. but the important thing is that, while the trainer can glean information from watching, the rider is the one in position to find the really important information from the feel he gets from the horse. A good trainer will listen to the lad and use it as part of his calculations re the horse. A good lad can explain things in terms they are both familiar with .
It must be recognised that pace and learning from horses is an aquired art. It is not scientific or mechanical. There are many factors which which are brought into play when assessing a horse in any area of its ability. Some of these things cannot even be defined , they are just things you know because experience and empathy with the horse tells you. Races are not run by the clock , the same horses may run races at different speeds on different days . You will have seen that quite often races over the Epsom mile and a half are run in better times than the Derby on the same day. That is not because the horses are better than the Derby runners it is just a reflection of tactics used in the race. In order to assess a horse’s ability to get a particular trip by training with the clock would surely mean working at racing pace which is not the norm before a horse runs .
All this may seem arcane but when you live doing it day after day for your working life it is something which is not thought about consciously but becomes a natural process in the same way as an experienced car driver judges their driving and their unthinking , or natural, changing gear.
I have only known one man who could tell all of the above.Sadly he died twenty years ago.He was in truth a ‘horse whisperer".
I have only known one man who could tell all of the above.Sadly he died twenty years ago.He was in truth a ‘horse whisperer".
well, andyod, none of the above is in the realms of " horse whisperers ". It is something I , and many, many more like me have done for a lifetime. That’s not bragging , it’s a job. A way of life perhaps but most definitely not mystic in any way.
There is an old saying that " there’s no secret greater than that between rider and horse". Perhaps it’s true , the point is that , if you allow experience and horses to teach you , the secret can be found.
My reference to horsewhisperer was not intended to reflect on others just on himself.
My reference to horsewhisperer was not intended to reflect on others just on himself.
Well, I have obviously inferred something from your post which is incorrect then.
What I have described is only part of the process. If you have any doubts about what I have told you then by all means print out my posts and , when you are at the races again, show them to Michael Stoute , Henry Cecil or someone like that and get their opinion on my statements .
5. Long distance human athletes often train by running hundreds of miles each month. Why can’t horses do the same?
Human athletes who do long distance competitions (and one is wrigthing this) "trains hundreds of miles" at low intencity, often described as L1 training for developing endurance. For a horse the L1 training would be walking. For developing of heart and lounge capacity the humans will train harder over much shorter distances in intervalls.
To stay or not to stay is also a mental thing5. Long distance human athletes often train by running hundreds of miles each month. Why can’t horses do the same?
Human athletes who do long distance competitions (and one is wrigthing this) "trains hundreds of miles" at low intencity, often described as L1 training for developing endurance. For a horse the L1 training would be walking. For developing of heart and lounge capacity the humans will train harder over much shorter distances in intervalls.
To stay or not to stay is also a mental thingA very good point. When a horse comes back into work it will always start with several weeks just walking and the fast work is purely for fitness rather than stamina
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