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Hopefully Waldkönig will run in this Newmarket race, any quotes from JG
“He won his maiden well but most horses that have ran from it since have finished nearly last. However one horse did finish 4th on the all weather this week which gives us some hope going forward”
Thanks Botchy, I’m used to Johnnie’s defensive statements
It’s not Waldkönig’s fault that this was an ordinary maiden..A nice article for you Hein which no doubt you will be familiar with.
Thank you very much Botchy
You are right, I played Wurftaube often in her prime; this is sad news (at least she had a long and good life) so rest in peace.
Waldkönig really has the finest German bloodlines on his damn side, but what this results in mixed with Kingman has to be watched. At least I am optimistic
Hein, even if Johnny G isn’t being Uber positive on Waldkonig’s form, Simon Rowland’s piece at least indicates his individual performance was good on the clock!
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!Anyone else impressed with English King? Not sure what he beat but he is a strong traveller and did it well.
Top priced of 12/1 looks fair enough. Cannot help feeling he would be about 8/1 if O’Brien or Gosden trained him.
I was suitably impressed enough to add him at 12s to my Mogul bet. Son of a Derby winner who won a trial impressively. With that in mind 12-1 is perfectly acceptable ew.
Ed Walkers horse’s seem to want their 1st run too.I’m taking that win with a little bit of a pinch of salt! It was a very taking performance but the bookies have gone overboard for me. His dam wasn’t upto much and that’s usually a pointer for Epsom so not sure the breeding is that strong although granted Camelot’s are looking good this season. But he beat nothing and decent horses are entitled to look good against poor horses. Even Berkshire Rocco was beaten 3L by Max Vega last year and he just got thrashed in the classic trial. Good performance but 8/1 is a silly price, lots of running to do yet, very interesting race this afternoon, got the Derrinstown on Tuesday and then the Ascot ‘trials’ as they are now!
Slightly worried for Mogul now as AOB was on the final furlong podcast saying he would’ve raced twice this season to get him ready for the derby. It’s possible it’s going to come too soon. probably will be able to tell on Tuesday I guess
Depends how you wanna look at it. The 2nd was rated 104. AVD beat similar class horses in his trial last season and he was more exposed as a 2 year old.
The listed race this afternoon highest rated is 101. So will see what happens there.
We won’t know how good they really are until they take each other on in the Derby. But English King looks bang in the mix to me.
Maybe a little bit, but AVD had group form as a 2year old which is completely different for me. He was almost guaranteed to improve after the Lingfield run also, being an AOB on a second run as a 3year old.
The second was rated 104, but as I said he was slammed by Max Vega last year who got slammed in his trial.
He can only do what he did though, I totally agree. That race in isolation was very impressive. I do really like him, he travelled beautifully, but this is a Derby next.
Ratings don’t come into this afternoon though, Al Aasy and Waldkonig have only raced once.
English King looks interesting but fails some major trends/stats.
His Dam’s best rating was only an RPR of 79. All the Dams of Derby winner in the last 15 years had achieved at least an RPR of 96 (excluding unraced of course). With 13/15 had an RPR over 100. In other words Derby winners need very classy pedigrees on both sides.
2nd trend is 14/15 Derby winners who ran 2 times or more as a 2 year old achieved an RPR of 100 or more. The exception was Pour Moi.
He seems to lack the class of an average Derby Winner, at least on the stats.
I thought while English King was visually very impressive he’s probably beat a good horse in Berkshire Rocco but one who will need further than a Derby trip to be seen to best effect and he will almost certainly meet horses with a bit more toe and class at 12F at Epsom. Probably telling that Berkshire Rocco didn’t actually hold a Derby entry I don’t think. Hard to be too critical though the time compared very favourably with what was probably a weak Oaks trial, he’s proved he should be okay on the track and his preparation thus far has obviously gone well in that he’s made his trial and come through it with flying colours. There will be a lot of issues for other horses and preparations in this unusual season.
On Max Vega – we can sometimes get bogged down with collateral form and its dangerous to do it with 2 year old form moving into their 3 year old season, for all we know Max Vega might not have trained on or he might have just needed the run only time will tell but probably too early to say he’s not a very good horse and therefore Berkshire Rocco isn’t either.
I’d expect the bigger pointers for this year will probably come in the Ribblesdale and King Edward I can see them being very competitive affairs.
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