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    darren83
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    Call me crackers if you want but already been looking at entries for next year of course got brother of Japan lurking there but one that looks the part is

    ORDER BY AUSTRALIA 50/1 Ask paddy on twitter price give me

    By a derby winner and also dam Sentry dreams same dam of Ruler of World who went onto to get Epsom success so this son of Australia can be the one to beat in 2020

    PERSIA
    KANGAROO COURT

    Other AOBS i like in terms not trained by there Golden Horn colts and a intresting one called PRINCE IMPERIAL no trainer yet.

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    darren83
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    Any views on race MOGUL is 2nd fave any been impressed by him any others seen

    CAPE PALACE a Golden Horn colt is intresting for me won well on debut no news where be next maybe a novice again

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    Nathan HughesNathan Hughes
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    Mogul for me Daz,
    If anything you’d think he’d be more of a 3 y/o and this year is a bonus

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    ham
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    Persia looked a right tool today, 66/1 still available, nibbled at it for now

    Few others coming out from obriens yard with nice pedigrees as always

    Mykonos, keats, star of juniper

    Ramesses the great has a very unusual pedigree, thought he would have stayed stateside

    Plenty more of course but those a few ive requested prices on, usually get 66/1+ at this stage which is fair enough for me, mogul wont be winning a derby anytime soon, already looks like he wants the leger.

    #1457788
    Frenchy15
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    I was slightly disappointed with Mogul’s run at the weekend but he needs time, Japan was 2/3 weeks behind him so he is slightly more forward but AOB has said all along he’s a horse for next year so they are going very steady with him.

    What is good is that he moved very well through the race so looks like a nice balanced relaxed colt that Epsom demands.

    I’d like to see him run one more time and show some better speed though I agree. Going into the winter on what he’s done so far and I will be looking for other antiposts as well.

    On at 14s though and hoping that’s still going to be a big price.

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    Nathan HughesNathan Hughes
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    Ruler of the World didn’t even race as a 2 y/o and looked a Leger sort before winning the Derby. If Mogul needs a test then O’Brien will ensure it happens with 5 pacemakers… :scratch:

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    #1457793
    hein bollowhein bollow
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    Hi Nathan, could you please have a look at Pat’s comp thread?
    I asked you a question there, but you probably didn’t read it..

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    jackh1092jackh1092
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    Persia was impressive yesterday and looked to me like he had a fair bit of size about him. Winning round Galway over 1m 1/2f from the front probably suggests he’s going to be a proper staying horse anyway, though often with Aidans he likes to keep it simple and even more so at Galway where it can pay to be prominent. Lovely pedigree, if there’s to be one main negative it’s the race he ran in for me. Isn’t always set in stone, but Aidan hasn’t targeted many of his better 2yo Derby prospects here. Alright Sovereign won an Irish Derby and is of a decent level, but he wouldn’t have been considered by many. Maybe more of a Leger horse?

    Mogul did what he had to do, is clearly highly thought of, but being related to a “now” horse in Japan probably is pricing him unders and i’d be letting him run for now. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are better in the stable.
    There are some cracker pedigrees out today so worth watching at Naas.

    Twitter: Jackh1092
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    #1457800
    ham
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    For sure nathan! I wouldnt try put anyone off him, just didnt look all that good to me! And i agree regarding were persia ran jack, but hoping hes just sprung out of nowere, see if he ends up in the vertem

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    SteeplechasingSteeplechasing
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    Pinatubo

    Never argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience, then onlookers might not be able to tell the difference. https://lazybet.com/

    #1457803
    ham
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    Too fast for this trip surely joe? Cant see him staying it tbh,that and back to what nathan said, ballydoyle would just tactically destroy him if there was any doubts about his stamina, i disagree with people regarding scope etc for the guineas as i think he would be good enough right now to beat whatever develops through the winter, but the derby is a different scenario altogether?

    Looks an out and out miler to me, but i hope your right, hes unreal. If he wins the guineas, why not come here and try it

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    potato
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    I wouldnt say for certain that Pinatubo wouldnt stay the derby trip. His sire won over 1m 21/2f at group 1 level.
    On the dams side of the family the damsire won group 1s over 1 1/2 mile including on heavy. the dam won over 1m 3f.

    Its very possible though not certain that Pinatubo would stay the trip and he has epsom course form.

    I would be taking him on every time he runs though same as I did with Frankel.

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    JJMSportsJJMSports
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    Can’t have Pinatubo staying, personally.

    Can back handful of the Coolmore horses blind at this stage already

    #1465626
    ham
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    Persia back out tomorrow, looks a hot race, whoever wins will shorten considerably for this, chipped away at persia as said above hoping for a nice display

    #1465763
    darren83
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    MILTARY MARCH 33/1

    Has breeding that suggest Epsom ideal for him my worry is trainer send him to Dubai for races unbeaten pull a long way ahead of 3rd to

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