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Poor <b>Dawn Approach</b> we could not expect him to win after not settling is this a flaw in <b>New Approach’s</b> progeny because oaks winner <b>Talent</b> did not settle. i think you can right off Dawn Approach’s running today hopefully they don’t retire him. and he can redeem him self at <b>1m/1m2f</b>
Ruler Of The World !
Well, us old wise ones did warn the Dawn Approachees about the CC type, the stamina doubts etc. Did you heed the warning … nope !
The horse was the definition of a jibber from the word go. The writing was on the wall from 10 furlongs out.
Manning had no chance.The Coolmore jockeys got their tactics spot on. Let DA hit the front coming round Tattenham after pulling his jockey’s arms from its sockets and the horse will then surely burn itself out. As it proved.
Bolger’s champ went out like a light. Anyone who still harbours hopes of Dawn Approach staying a mile and a half should book a GP appointment a.s.a.p.
Dawn Approach is a miler ! Pure and simple. I now look forward to his battles against Magician.
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The DA team tactics were found wanting. They should’ve had a pacemaker of their own in the race. Would DA have won ? We’ll never know now.
You have a horse that has questionable stamina, so you throw in a pacemaker to turn the race into a true test of stamina…… yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
If anything, the slow pace should have worked in the favour of a stamina challenged horse. The problem for DA is that he wouldn’t rate, he was rank as a pig. Most horses can be taught to rate (see Frankel etc), but some can’t. We’ll see what Bolger can do with this fella.The DA team tactics were found wanting. They should’ve had a pacemaker of their own in the race. Would DA have won ? We’ll never know now.
You have a horse that has questionable stamina, so you throw in a pacemaker to turn the race into a true test of stamina…… yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
If anything, the slow pace should have worked in the favour of a stamina challenged horse. The problem for DA is that he wouldn’t rate, he was rank as a pig. Most horses can be taught to rate (see Frankel etc), but some can’t. We’ll see what Bolger can do with this fella.I think you need to watch the race.
The horse might have settled better with a stronger pace.
It’s The Derby at the end of the day. No point going into it unless you are prepared to put your faith in the horse’s ability to stay.
Ignoring the losers, I wonder if there is any chance that Ruler Of The World will run in the St Leger now. I know it is not a particularly fashionable route for Derby winners to take with their stallion careers in mind. Nevertheless, Ruler Of The World has such obvious grinding stamina and did not run as a juvenile, so there is not much to lose.
Getting spanked by the older horses would surely be more detrimental to his value than a Leger attempt.
They say a slowly run race puts MORE emphasis on stamina…
Hardly. You canter around conserving your energy and use your superior speed to outsprint to the finish line. You turn a 12f race into a 10f race, or even an 8f race with a 4f warm-up canter at the start. A strong pace is a true test of stamina because all 12 of the furlongs are a race.
Any horse can go 12f, hell even a quarter horse, if they go slow enough.Whether DA can stay 12f, we’ll probably never know. What cooked him today had nothing to do with staying ability, it was the fact he wouldn’t settle. Even the best 12f horse in the world would have finished last today had he ran like Dawn Approach.
I hope they take
KING GEORGE VI
then
ARC
… IMO they will bypass the St Leger they only went to the St Leger for the history books/triple crown with
Camelot
I’m hoping Aiden will run Mars in the St Leger. The tactics Richard Hughes deployed today (Whether under instruction or not.) gave the horse no chance whatsoever. I think he’s much closer to today’s field than his finishing position suggested.
Sure I’ll be criticized but my reaction is zzzzzzz, hardly the most exciting Derby ever.
I’d have thought it obvious that the slow pace today cooked DA’s chance. He just couldn’t be settled. A quicker pace would have given his jockey a much better chance to put him to sleep. He may still not have got the trip (Not IMO.) but at least he might have been in with a chance.
Well done to those who tipped and backed the winner. I think Steve C mentioned it some time back. A nice collect.
I have to admit to having a dose of the sour grapes myself. I thought Hughsie’s booking on Mars would at least guarantee me a decent ride but it was not so. He gave the horse no chance IMO. He may have been riding to orders but I suspect he thought he’d try to produce one of those precocious rides and get up on the line. He was wrong, and the horse finished much further off the winner than he should have.
I really hope he has an outing in the Leger. He looked liked he’d get another couple of furlongs comfortably to me.
When you get a farcical tactical race usually the best jockey will be up there, seen it today with Buick and Moore today.
Would of maybe been nicer if Libertarian got there with how Joseph O’Brien did his best to make The Derby a slow plodding race.
The horse was the definition of a jibber from the word go.
Your definition of a jibber must be very different to mine
I agree with the sentiments of those who said it puts into perspective the runs of New Approach and Sea The Stars. It takes a special horse to win at the top level over a mile
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a mile and a half. Alas Dawn Approach is not that horse, as was feared beforehand, but like Himself I look forward to seeing him back over shorter; there’s plenty more races to be won with him (just not over a mile and a half!).
Rumours are flying around Twitter that Dawn Appraoch collapsed and was given oxygen over an hour after the race. Does anyone have any more info?
Not really a criticism of Manning as it’s always difficult when a horse pulls as hard as Dawn Approach did but in cases like that I think id rather the jockey just give the horse his head and go to the front.
Taking nothing away from Ruler of the World who was a good winner, personally think Libertarian will be the one to take out of the race however, flying home!
The race confirmed my suspicions that Dawn Approach was not a Derby horse – said weeks ago regarding the big negative about winning at 5 furlongs as a two year old but also the breeding on the dam’s side. I think 1m2f would be his limit but i wouldn’t be keen on backing him a the trip in good Group 1 company.
The race –
I think the form will prove underrated, or more rather the horses. Today was the first time in a long time that the winner hadn’t won over 7 furlongs at two. Neither the winner or runner up appeared on a racecourse at two and so people having been doubting their ability but i think both are top class stayers. That the race was run in a similar time to the proceeding handicap does not bother me.
Horses are like people, creatures of habit.DA is used to leaving the gate and going at 7 furlong speed.So he set out as usual only to find they were not going at his usual speed.He wanted to go at his usual pace.He failed to control the urge to run slower than he normally ran.Simple as that.Jim said last year that he was a mile to a mile & two horse.
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