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Another nail in the coffin in France today, when Spanish Moon repeats his NaS thrashing of Youmzain?
Dear, oh dear!
Another nail in the coffin in France today, when Spanish Moon repeats his NaS thrashing of Youmzain?
Dear, oh dear!To be fair a Blackpool donkey would have a chance of beating Youmzain that horse just doesn’t want to win. Anyone that bet him at odds on must be either crazy or have money to throw away.
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Whichever way you look at it Ian, both horses have roundly upheld the Gp1 Dubai form that you and others rubbished as nothing of the sort.
very interesting stuff this , I am inclined to side with TDK , but one thing is for certain, the Jock who rode G to victory in Dubai , needs to get some lessons as he is plainly one dimensional, however well intentioned
cheers
Ricky
Whichever way you look at it Ian, both horses have roundly upheld the Gp1 Dubai form that you and others rubbished as nothing of the sort.
You don’t seem to understand the basic point being made, reet hard.
I am not saying that form behind the "outlier" performances we see in Dubai won’t be upheld, I am saying those outlier performances totally devalue the racing in general and must act as a deterrent to good horses going over to Dubai.
Come back to us when Eastern Anthem wins a Group 1. And no, I’m not holding my breath
Whichever way you look at it Ian, both horses have roundly upheld the Gp1 Dubai form that you and others rubbished as nothing of the sort.
There’s always going to be the odd horse that upholds form Reet and I’m not saying that a horse can’t win in Dubai then win in Europe but
as a rule
it pays to take form and ratings from Dubai with a huge pinch of salt.
If Goldolphin cannot get Suroor to replicate the success of bin Shafya, he should be sacked. I’d like to see someone like Tim Vaughan, Evan Williams, Peter Bowen, Alison Thorpe of Keith Goldsworthy given a chance.
What a fantastic selection of trainers from the new heartland of racing . Well said David
Whichever way you look at it Ian, both horses have roundly upheld the Gp1 Dubai form that you and others rubbished as nothing of the sort.
You don’t seem to understand the basic point being made, reet hard.
I am not saying that form behind the "outlier" performances we see in Dubai won’t be upheld, I am saying those outlier performances totally devalue the racing in general and must act as a deterrent to good horses going over to Dubai.
Come back to us when Eastern Anthem wins a Group 1. And no, I’m not holding my breath
Your point has been well and truly blown away, yet you continue to manouevre in an attempt to deny this.
Since Dubai, we have had
– Spanish Moon, Group 1 winner
– Paco Boy, Group 1 winner
– Youmzain, shd second in a Group 1
– Vodka, dual Group 1 winner
– Presvis, Group 1 winner, and 2nd in another Group 1
– Alexandros, nse second in a Group 1, probably denied due to whip being knocked out of rider’s handAnother person who has missed the point entirely.
All, undisputed, good horses and all significantly better than the horses who beat them in Dubai.
To be clear…
If Gladiatorus and/or Eastern Anthem run up to their Dubai form in Europe, I will accept I got this one badly wrong.
(I will also eat my hat)
If Ian Davies was still around, he would tell you why that wouldn’t be a good idea.
All I’m saying is that I don’t think either horse will reproduce their Dubai form in the UK and will be betting accordingly.
I don’t think this is a bogus topic to be starting either – I genuinely feel sorry for the enthusiast, perhaps new to the game, who may have thought (quite justifiably) that Gladiatorus was one of the best "form based" bets of all time at 11-4 in the Queen Anne.
If we were to take the Dubai form seriously, he should have been on odds-on shot.
And we wonder why Racing is losing its share of the market?
The dangers of taking totally the opposite view were on show at Saint-Cloud yesterday with Youmzain going off at 4/5 to beat Spanish Moon (same terms and beat Youmzain last time out) at 15/2.
I’m beginning to wonder if humidity could be a factor why Dubai horses are flopping over here. Over in Dubai, I’d say that the humidity is quite low compared to the humidity that is rather high here.
Would humidity affect their lungs in some way? Is that a possible reason why Gladiatorus flopped maybe?
The dangers of taking totally the opposite view were on show at Saint-Cloud yesterday with Youmzain going off at 4/5 to beat Spanish Moon (same terms and beat Youmzain last time out) at 15/2.
To be fair, Youmzain has plenty of other form that suggested he should be a strong favourite yesterday. Gladiatorus and Eastern Anthem have little of note outside of Dubai.
Agree that Youmzain has some top notch form but to my eye there was nothing to suggest that Youmzain had run below form in Dubai or that Spanish Moon was unlikely to be able to run to the same level of form (working on the basis that Eastern Anthem is a completely different horse in Dubai) – as a relatively unexposed 5yo.
Perfectly reasonable point IS – and not one that is at odds with what I’m saying here…
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