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  • #1732262
    Avatar photoMatron
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    Peter Webb of Bet Angel ran this through AI.

    Let us see if AI will have the makings of a successful “Tipster”!

    Al Wasl Storm
    Trainer: Owen Burrows Jockey: David Probert Owner: Ahmed Al Shaikh Draw: 13
    Going preference: Unknown (little evidence of any bias).

    Al Wasl Storm is one of two bargain purchases running for owner-breeder Ahmed Al Shaikh, whose eye for a long-priced Derby placer is well known. Unraced at two, he landed only a minor maiden at Chester this spring and his overall form is modest. Lacking a pattern-race prep and yet to race beyond ten furlongs, he looks badly outclassed and would be an enormous shock even to make the frame.

    Chance of winning: 1/10 – rank outsider.
    Fair odds: 150–200/1.
    Damysus
    Trainers: John & Thady Gosden Jockey: James Doyle Owner: Wathnan Racing Draw: 15
    Going preference: Unproven, but acts on Tapeta and good turf.

    A lightly-raced colt who didn’t debut until December, Damysus was a staying-on second in the Group 2 Dante and shapes as though the extra two furlongs will suit. Raw and open to plenty of improvement, he ticks the “Dante trial” box but arrives without a win this season.

    Chance of winning: 6/10 – improver who could outrun his odds.
    Fair odds: 12/1.
    Delacroix
    Trainer: Aidan O’Brien Jockey: Ryan Moore Owner: Coolmore Partners Draw: 14
    Going preference: Likely effective on good or quicker.

    Unbeaten in two starts at three and the clear Ballydoyle number-one, Delacroix dominated both the Ballysax and Derrinstown trials. Battle-hardened and bred to stay, he sets the standard.

    Chance of winning: 8/10 – the one to beat.
    Fair odds: 3/1.
    Green Storm
    Trainer: Charlie Johnston Jockey: Billy Loughnane Owner: Ahmed Al Shaikh Draw: 8
    Going preference: Handles soft.

    Second in last year’s Group 1 Critérium de Saint-Cloud but quiet this spring. Faces a huge class jump and provides apprentice Billy Loughnane with a memorable first Derby ride.

    Chance of winning: 2/10 – would be a shock winner.
    Fair odds: 100/1.
    Lambourn
    Trainer: Aidan O’Brien Jockey: Wayne Lordan Owner: Coolmore Partners Draw: 10
    Going preference: Enjoys cut in the ground.

    A convincing Chester Vase winner whose stamina is assured. Lacks tactical speed but will finish strongly, especially if the forecast rain arrives.

    Chance of winning: 5/10 – lively outsider for a place.
    Fair odds: 25/1.
    Lazy Griff
    Trainer: Charlie Johnston Jockey: Christophe Soumillon Owner: Middleham Park Racing & G. Griffiths Draw: 3
    Going preference: Any rain a plus.

    Second in the Chester Vase and still a maiden above novice level, but improvements keep coming. Star jockey booking catches the eye.

    Chance of winning: 4/10 – could surprise in an open year.
    Fair odds: 33/1.
    Midak
    Trainer: Francis-Henri Graffard Jockey: Mickaël Barzalona Owner: Aga Khan Draw: 4
    Going preference: Proven on good-to-soft.

    Unbeaten French raider who scored impressively in the Prix Greffulhe. Supplemented at a cost of £75,000 and carries plenty of mystique.

    Chance of winning: 7/10 – the unknown quantity.
    Fair odds: 8/1.
    New Ground
    Trainer: Henri-François Devin Jockey: Alexis Pouchin Owner: Juddmonte Draw: 17
    Going preference: Handles good ground.

    Supplemented after two close thirds in French stakes races. Yet to win this season and drawn wide; needs a big leap forward.

    Chance of winning: 3/10 – dark-horse appeal only.
    Fair odds: 33/1.
    Nightime Dancer
    Trainer: Richard Hannon Jockey: Jamie Spencer Owner: Mohammed Jaber Draw: 9
    Going preference: Stout pedigree suggests soft ground fine.

    Stamina-laden colt who was well held in the Lingfield Trial. Shapes like a future St Leger type rather than a Derby winner.

    Chance of winning: 1/10 – outclassed.
    Fair odds: 66/1.
    Nightwalker
    Trainer: John & Thady Gosden Jockey: Tom Marquand Owner: Juddmonte Draw: 5
    Going preference: No obvious bias.

    Blew the start yet finished well in the Dante. Extra two furlongs can help; each-way longshot with a late kick.

    Chance of winning: 4/10 – could sneak into the frame.
    Fair odds: 33/1.
    Pride Of Arras
    Trainer: Ralph Beckett Jockey: Rossa Ryan Owners: David & Vimy Aykroyd Draw: 16
    Going preference: Best on good or quicker.

    Unbeaten Dante winner whose turn of foot lit up York. Lightly raced, progressive and the feel-good story of the year; stall 16 hoodoo to overcome.

    Chance of winning: 9/10 – leading player.
    Fair odds: 4/1.
    Rogue Impact
    Trainer: James Owen Jockey: Luke Morris Owner: Rogue Racing Syndicate Draw: 1
    Going preference: Versatile.

    Maiden winner who trailed home last in the Lingfield Trial. Inside draw could be awkward if he lacks early speed.

    Chance of winning: 1/10 – virtually no chance.
    Fair odds: 150/1.
    Ruling Court
    Trainer: Charlie Appleby Jockey: William Buick Owner: Godolphin Draw: 7
    Going preference: Proven on good-to-firm.

    Impressive 2000 Guineas winner and the class act on ratings. Stamina is the only question; if he stays, he wins.

    Chance of winning: 8/10 – high-class colt with one doubt.
    Fair odds: 4/1.
    Sea Scout
    Trainers: Simon & Ed Crisford Jockey: Harry Davies Owner: KHK Racing Draw: 18
    Going preference: Probably best on good.

    Only previous course winner (Blue Riband Trial) but that race rarely produces Derby heroes. Faces a big rise in grade.

    Chance of winning: 2/10 – course form alone unlikely to suffice.
    Fair odds: 50/1.
    Stanhope Gardens
    Trainer: Ralph Beckett Jockey: Hector Crouch Owners: Marc Chan & Andrew Rosen Draw: 2
    Going preference: Fine on good or faster.

    Lightly-raced second string who pushed Delacroix close at two and won an ad-hoc Salisbury prep. Stall 2 yet to produce a Derby winner.

    Chance of winning: 6/10 – dark horse with credible form.
    Fair odds: 25/1.
    Tennessee Stud
    Trainer: Joseph O’Brien Jockey: Dylan Browne McMonagle Owners: Westerberg & Coolmore Draw: 12
    Going preference: Acts on soft.

    Group 1-winning juvenile but only third to Delacroix in his trial and needs marked improvement. Family rivalry angle adds spice.

    Chance of winning: 4/10 – place hopes rather than win claims.
    Fair odds: 25/1.
    The Lion In Winter
    Trainer: Aidan O’Brien Jockey: Colin Keane Owner: Coolmore Partners Draw: 19
    Going preference: Versatile; settling the bigger issue.

    Winter favourite whose poor Dante run saw Ryan Moore desert him. Mercurial talent drawn widest; could roar back or flop again.

    Chance of winning: 6/10 – risky but capable.
    Fair odds: 12/1.
    Tornado Alert
    Trainer: Saeed bin Suroor Jockey: Oisin Murphy Owner: Godolphin Draw: 11
    Going preference: Probably better on firmish ground.

    Front-running fourth in the Guineas but doubtful stayer at 12 furlongs. Could act as pacemaker for Ruling Court.

    Chance of winning: 4/10 – big talent at the wrong trip.
    Fair odds: 25/1.
    Tuscan Hills
    Trainer: Rafael Freire Jockey: David Egan Owner: Amo Racing Draw: 6
    Going preference: Likely needs good ground.

    Seventh in the Dante and appeared to struggle even at ten furlongs. Amo Racing’s history of giant-killing seconds aside, he looks out of his depth.

    Chance of winning: 1/10 – outclassed.
    Fair odds: 100/1.
    Key Trends & Final Thoughts

    • The Dante remains the most potent trial – Pride Of Arras, Delacroix and Damysus all emerged from it.
    • Guineas winners have the class edge but often fail to stay; Ruling Court must buck that trend.
    • Stalls 10 (Lambourn) and 7 (Ruling Court) are historically lucky; stalls 2 and 16 still seek a first winner.
    • French challenger Midak brings an unknown level of ability, echoing Pour Moi’s successful raid.
    • The Derby frequently produces surprises; keep an eye on improving types such as Damysus and Nightwalker for each-way value.

    Ultimately, Delacroix, Pride Of Arras and Ruling Court set the benchmark, but the wide-open nature of this field means a late-charging outsider would not be unprecedented at Epsom Downs.

    #1732264
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    “Ultimately, Delacroix, Pride Of Arras and Ruling Court set the benchmark, but the wide-open nature of this field means a late-charging outsider would not be unprecedented at Epsom Downs.”

    How long did it take them to come up with that conclusion?

    Anyone here on TRF could have told you the same thing straight off the top of their head.

    #1732266
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    “The Dante remains the most potent trial – Pride Of Arras, Delacroix and Damysus all emerged from it.”

    Delacroix didn’t run in the Dante. Unless Aidan O’Brien ran a ringer.

    #1732270
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    Having said that – I think efficient predictive models with AI generated text could eventually lead to the role of the traditional tipster becoming redundant.

    #1732281
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    “the traditional tipster becoming redundant.”

    There would be some upside to that: you wouldn’t see their ugly mugs every time you went onto the Racing Post or Oddschecker homepage.

    #1732541
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    my software was better…

    D21 B-)

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