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The issue remains whether the motives behind the corporation’s apparent sudden heightened interest in this horse upon his demise are entirely pure in intent.
Unless it’s been taken down (something they are not especially given to doing, judged on the wealth of archived webpages), a rifle through the same site finds no similar coverage afforded Darlan’s victory in the Christmas Hurdle.
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I would be surprised if the Daily Fascist, sorry Mail, don’t have something about it tomorrow.
Why do you think the Mail is a ‘fascist’ paper, Paul?
In the 1930’s is actively supported Hitler but that is historic.
However, and I appreciate there is no strictly agreed definition of fascism, if you take the view that fascism is "antiliberalist" and / or " behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline" then it could well be argued the epithet suits the Daily Mail.
Tis a a truly sad day for racing. Such a strange end – he just didn’t jump the last at all, and he was cruising – he really must have been some machine. Nothing to look at IMHO, but his engine would surely have taken him close to winning the Champion crown, I’d certainly have had him over Hurricane Fly.
To have Desert Vision be destroyed at Wolves on the same day is very morbid. An even odder fatality, that one. He was travelling well in front and then just broke a leg and it was horrible to watch him suffering.
No doubt this will be grist to the anti-racing mill.
Deaths don’t happen very often AFAIK, but two in a day of only two meetings.
Zip
Wasn’t there three deaths yesterday? Darlan, Mujamead and Desert Vision?
Tis a a truly sad day for racing. Such a strange end – he just didn’t jump the last at all, and he was cruising – he really must have been some machine. Nothing to look at IMHO, but his engine would surely have taken him close to winning the Champion crown, I’d certainly have had him over Hurricane Fly.
To have Desert Vision be destroyed at Wolves on the same day is very morbid. An even odder fatality, that one. He was travelling well in front and then just broke a leg and it was horrible to watch him suffering.
No doubt this will be grist to the anti-racing mill.
Deaths don’t happen very often AFAIK, but two in a day of only two meetings.
Zip
Wasn’t there three deaths yesterday? Darlan, Mujamead and Desert Vision?
No blame on McCoy and shame on you for suggesting it
Hear, hear!
Amazing that some jokers on here actually believe they know better than AP on how to ride a horse
If AP "takes more risks and is more aggressive" then that would show up on the amount of falls. Please provide the statistics! I suspect percentage-wise AP has fewer falls than most jockeys.
Figures released by Animal Aid following last year’s Grand National show that McCoy is middle rank in terms of fatalities amongst a handful of top jockeys, with Ruby Walsh comfortably the worst. Lesser jockeys would obviously produce higher/lower percentage fatalities.
In my view the statistics are sort of credible, insomuch as the sample size is just about big enough although the comparative rarity of fatalities mean they can be unfairly skewed. Animal Aid included Synchronised in McCoy’s fatality stats as well as horses that died during a race whatever the circumstance and those who died ‘soon after’.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2150658/Champion-jockey-AP-McCoy-seen-incredible-20-mounts-die-5-years.html#axzz2K0t1MuqL
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Tis a a truly sad day for racing. Such a strange end – he just didn’t jump the last at all, and he was cruising – he really must have been some machine. Nothing to look at IMHO, but his engine would surely have taken him close to winning the Champion crown, I’d certainly have had him over Hurricane Fly.
To have Desert Vision be destroyed at Wolves on the same day is very morbid. An even odder fatality, that one. He was travelling well in front and then just broke a leg and it was horrible to watch him suffering.
No doubt this will be grist to the anti-racing mill.
Deaths don’t happen very often AFAIK, but two in a day of only two meetings.
Zip
Wasn’t there three deaths yesterday? Darlan, Mujamead and Desert Vision?
Yes, there were. Funny we’re all going on about just one. I mentioned Mujamead earlier, but didn’t know about Desert Vision until I read the posts here. Mujamead broke a hind leg jumping a ditch and was put to sleep.
Some while ago now, I mentioned that AP rides a chaser towards a fence as though it’s a hurdler. He takes more risks and is an aggressive rider. Watch him riding Gloria Victis in the closing stages of the 2000 Gold Cup … at the third last, the commentator says that GV is "booted into the fence" by AP. The same happens at the penultimate fence and GV comes a cropper. Yes, every jockey falls many times in their careers but, as far as NH is concerned, can a jockey’s riding style be too strong for a horse or can a horse sense what jockey suits it?
I did read somewhere that Mr McCoy has the highest horse fatality count of NH jockeys? Even Clive Smith felt that AP’s style was too aggressive for Kauto Star when he rode him in the 2010 King George.
Regarding Synchronised, I felt that when he unseated AP before the National, one feels that the signs were out there to pull the horse out of the race and the jockey should’ve recognised that Synchronised was spooked and didn’t want to take part. While Synchronised died out on his own during the race, hindsight appears to show that the seed was sewn for the horse’s demise even before his fall at Beechers. Could’ve been prevented IMO.
I hope AP doesn’t ride Sprinter Sacre at anytime in the horse’s career if Barry Geraghty isn’t available. I get often butterflies when AP rides an excellent horse.
Well, that for me goes down as the most stupid post I have ever seen on this forum.
And that’s saying something! You really have not got a clue "Ghost".Thats a bit harsh Ginge,I believe there is truth in ‘Ghosts’ post,AP may have mellowed since he became a Father but on the Racecourse his attitude has never waivered,he is the most dedicated Jockey of our time,the strongest and the bravest unfortunately those tags come at a price and that is an obsession to win……..at all costs at times! like I say to criticise AP is like saying England are a good football team,you just dont say it as their respective records speak for themselves.AP came to the 3rd last with a smile on his face yesterday,he jumped it took a pull and a grin like a beam of the sunlight trying to come out lit me up,I swear he was talking to Noel between the last 2 hurdles such was the ease in which ‘Darlan’ was travelling.That smile was wiped from his face in an instance,he knows never to get complacent at this game as it has a way of turning on you like a Pit bull.AP will be still hurting emotionally this morning over this one as was the case with ‘Synchronised’,he’ll question himself pulling ‘Darlan’ out into that headwind at the last moment before jumping the last!
An Excellent post from ‘The young Fella’ too by the way,it just shows how Horseracing divides opinions!Didnt see this yesterday. Have read all the various comments on here and made myself watch a replay just now.
My view as a showjumper is that it was what we would refer to as a "miss". We see this a lot in amateur showjumping – rider has horse on a very long one – horse thinks about popping in another stride, then in a split second realises there isn’t really room so snatches leading leg back and rather dives over fence. Usually accompanied by a sharp intake of breath, heart in the mouth moment for those watching. They get away with it SJ 99.9% of the time due to going so much slower and the fences at amateur level being very small, giving the horse a chance to "find another leg".
Difficult to tell from the replay, but it’s possible Darlan didn’t get a view of the hurdle soon enough, hence him changing his mind. I’m not an AP fan, however I wouldn’t blame him for this.I don’t care whether you were talking about me or not. Although Ivanjica used the exact same word about me earlier.
I am getting confused now. I directed the accusation of being "sanctimonious" at "befair" not you. You aren’t actually one in the same are you (maybe TAPK was right about your multiple accounts on here all along)? God forbid!
I don’t care whether you were talking about me or not. Although Ivanjica used the exact same word about me earlier.
I am getting confused now. I directed the accusation of being "sanctimonious" at "befair" not you. You aren’t actually one in the same are you (maybe TAPK was right about your multiple accounts on here all along)? God forbid!
Ivanjica,
I wrote about your words:
“Absolutely right Ivanjica, it is NOT the place to say it. Totally UNTRUE anyway”.Befair wrote:
“No blame on McCoy and shame on you for suggesting it”If I write words that mean exactly the same thing as Befair’s words, and you call him/her “sanctimonious” – then as far as I am concerned you are calling both of us “sanctimonious”.
Value Is EverythingI don’t care whether you were talking about me or not. Although Ivanjica used the exact same word about me earlier.
I am getting confused now. I directed the accusation of being "sanctimonious" at "befair" not you. You aren’t actually one in the same are you (maybe TAPK was right about your multiple accounts on here all along)? God forbid!
Ivanjica,
I wrote about your words:
“Absolutely right Ivanjica, it is NOT the place to say it. Totally UNTRUE anyway”.Befair wrote:
“No blame on McCoy and shame on you for suggesting it”If I write words that mean exactly the same thing as Befair’s words, and you call him/her “sanctimonious” – then as far as I am concerned you are calling both of us “sanctimonious”.
You are becoming laughable
. You said "Ivanjica used the exact
same word about me earlier". That doesn’t suggest anything other than you recalled me calling you "sanctimonious".
Rather than admit you were a) wrong (something I don’t recall you doing on here very often if at all, or b)admit you and befair are one in the same, you have to wriggle. Why? Can’t you let anything go?
As I have advised you elsewhere the main thrust of my initial post was to recall the great Golden Cygnet and hope that Darlan will be as fondly remembered in 35 years time. You chose to completely ignore that, conveniently, and focus on a negative.
How has a thread regarding the tragic death of a high class horse turned into tit for tat and a severe clash of personalities?!
Apologies, I didn’t realise that Mujamead died as well on Monday.
Crazy day. Can only hope it is isn’t ever repeated.
Zip
AP may have mellowed since he became a Father but on the Racecourse his attitude has never waivered,he is the most dedicated Jockey of our time,the strongest and the bravest unfortunately those tags come at a price and that is an obsession to win……..at all costs at times
AP just can’t win in some people’s eyes. He gets criticised for trying too hard like asking his mount for a big jump to win a race, which he’s probably done thousands of times before in his career. Just yesterday had dire consequences, and made him give up the rest of his rides. Or he’s not trying and gets accused by the likes of the Prof for fixing.
In hindsight AP could have done things better on Darlan but he made a decision at that time, and right or wrong nobody should blame him.
Ivanjica,
I wrote about your words:
“Absolutely right Ivanjica, it is NOT the place to say it. Totally UNTRUE anyway”.Befair wrote:
“No blame on McCoy and shame on you for suggesting it”If I write words that mean exactly the same thing as Befair’s words, and you call him/her “sanctimonious” – then as far as I am concerned you are calling both of us “sanctimonious”.
You are becoming laughable
. You said "Ivanjica used the exact
same word about me earlier". That doesn’t suggest anything other than you recalled me calling you "sanctimonious".
Rather than admit you were a) wrong (something I don’t recall you doing on here very often if at all, or b)admit you and befair are one in the same, you have to wriggle. Why? Can’t you let anything go?
FFS Ivanjica, keep this sort of personal crap to pms. It has no business on this thread.
Value Is Everything
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