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Agree with that, Ginger.
I wasn’t at Newbury yesterday so I can’t comment on the physical proportions of the horse but I thought he ran very well and if kept in training I think he could win a Group race.
His run yesterday (in my opinion) was very good. He made up a lot of ground and showed a good attitude – perhaps on ground a little fast for him I’m not sure.
I backed Johnston’s horse yesterday and for a few strides I saw ££££££££ signs, but it wasn’t to be. It ran very well, but as has been noted, in a slowly run race he was always in the best position.
On a slightly different tack, I was very surprised to see Spanish Moon ridden from behind in a slowly run race over a trip that was surely too short. Probably another race for Jim McGrath to put in his anti-Ryan Moore scrapbook!
Taking the penalties he carried into account I reckon he’ll get an RPR of 119 – 120, which is Group 2 class on their scale.
I wanted Firefox’s answer CR. He can also include in his answer what rating he thinks Bankable would have to have to run to to win the Hunt Cup this year. Should make interesting reading.
Firefox
I agree that RPR, BHA, Timeform ratings are not always correct.
That said, I think any handicapper worth his salt would give Bankable a rating on Saturday that would have won him the Hunt Cup (off 99) had he produced the level of performance at Ascot.
Therefore i am struggling with the concept that Saturday’s performance somehow vindicates your assertion that the horse wasn’t unlucky at Ascot. If anything it shows that those who put their faith in him at a short price at Ascot (I wasnt one of them btw) were justified in doing so.
If anything it shows that those who put their faith in him at a short price at Ascot (I wasnt one of them btw) were justified in doing so.
I rang ladbrokes and told them that, but they still wouldn’t pay out on my Hunt Cup bet.
There is always the draw/luck factor when betting in these big fields, but the bottom line for me is – if the Hunt Cup was re-run with exactly the same field and exactly the same weights but with the draw unknown, Bankable would be 6-4 again – possibly even shorter – based on his latest run imo…
rang ladbrokes and told them that, but they still wouldn’t pay out on my Hunt Cup bet.
Should have bet with Corals then
They would have
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Bankables win at Goodwood was a very impressive Listed boardering Group class on my figures and have no doubt this horse will bag a big race when conditions suit.
rang ladbrokes and told them that, but they still wouldn’t pay out on my Hunt Cup bet.
Should have bet with Corals then
They would have
Zip
Come off it Firefox,
Has everything got to be black and white?
Take the winner out of the race and Bankable would’ve won it easily.
Did every other horse in the race run below form, including the winner?
I am willing to believe some horses did not show their best but not all.What race were you watching?
He showed a good turn of foot to come from well back in a slowly run race.If his temperament holds Bankable should be a force to reckon with in pattern events at a mile or 1m2f.
Mark
I respect your opinoins Ginge, as you know. However think we need to disagree on this one. I don’t think either of the front two showed a particularly blistering turn of foot, and I am not convinced Passage of Time is back to anything approaching her best – she simply stumbled quite fortuitously upon a very winnable pattern event.
A fully wound up Heartshead Maison, without the 3lb penalty would probably have won imo.
I am happy to stand corrected as the season progresses, but for now I have serious reservations about yesterdays form. Passage of Time will probably go off a silly price next time up (in the Nassau I am led to believe) and get turned over – the Cecil horses have struggled to hold their form this season, often getting beaten when backed to follow up unexpected wins.
As for people who thought 5/4 Bankable was a good bet yesterday, shame on you.
Personally, it is not a matter of whether the horse is a good price or not, but a question of whether I think he will win.
I would rather back a 5/4 winner than a 5/1 loser.
Value is another subject, but I was looking for a banker of the day.
I am convinced *ankable will win a group 2 or 3 at least. However, if he continues to disappoint then I will be profoundly wrong.
Zip
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I fail to see what was disappointing?
Btn a nk by a rejuvenated gp1 winner who was only beaten a length in the Breeder’s Cup – and giving her weight?
Bankable has been alloted a RPR of 119 for Saturday’s run, some 20lb higher than his last race at Ascot so please, no more of this disappointing, or ran to his best lto.”To use the Passage of Time "Group 1" tag is totally misleading. As I have already stated, she won her Group 1 the season before last, and in every Gp 1 event since she has been beaten. Her form has been on a downward curve since the Musidora, and by scraping home in a weak looking Listed race, she hardly signalled a return to the Group 1 level of form you are implying”
Firefox, I cannot agree with your argument here. POT (if you disregard her last run) had by far the best form on show in the race and was suited by the race conditions. I had a tenner on at SP and was delighted to see her start at 10/1 in a race I believed she was more than capable of winning. Granted she has been beaten in her Group 1’s since her two year old days, but take out the Oaks where she was ill and she ran two excellent races at the back end of last season in the Vermeille and Breeders Cup. Form far superior to anything else in the race.
Her first run this season was over an inadequate 9f in a slowly run race where she ran 4th to a filly who has since been 2nd in a G2 and 3rd in a G1. Lord knows what went wrong on her last run but Henry obviously knew she still had it in her. I agree she may not win at G1 level again but in my view this race was well up to the standard of most of the G3’s about nowadays as I often feel the diff between G3 and Listed is negligible. I feel she would be more than capable of winning at G2 standard, indeed I feel another 2f will bring about more improvement later this season.
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