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He certainly didnt travel brillliantly but quite an inexperienced horse still, so wouldnt rule out Luca dealing with that
Often a difficult call as to whether ahorse doesnt go through with effort or is simply held by a better animal. There was a fair gap back to the third though and POT at her best is probably better than listed or grp 3 class
TDK,
As a knowledgeable racing man, will a colt sometimes just refuse to pass a filly?:wink:
TDK, no need for the continuation of the barbed comments please.
The guy posted and I gave an opinion. I was right, you were wrong. My opinion was based on facts as I saw them gleaned from my study of his Ascot run – you happen to disagree. My opinion was vindicated by today’s result and hopefully I helped a fellow forumite save some money. You would have had him back Bankable today and lose? Where is the logic in your vitriolic posting? I said Bankable was not genuine pattern class, the Ascot running proved that. Your opinion would have been he was genuine pattern class and the Ascot run was best ignored because he was in some way unlucky. There is unlucky, but then there is not being able to exploit a 14lb pull and getting weight from the first two outsiders.
You probably regard me as a chancer who got lucky. Fine. I am sure Zip and others rather a chancer like me advices them with an opinion that migth not go with the flow than a "sheep" like so called expert opinion from you. Not to mention the possibility your pocket may be driving some of your views.
Cav, it is of course all about your opinion, but unless he stumbles into a seriously weak pattern event before the season’s out I think it is hard to envisage him winning again. Perhaps a conditions race over 1m 6f is the only option but then penalties for his listed win at Goodwood wuold have to be overcome I guess?
Fair play, Firefox – you called it right.
I appreciate all the opinions given, even more the ones that constructively differ from the majority – as they give a a rounder picture. (imo)
I was disappointed with *ankable – bottom line. I think 1m 2f is his trip, he is still a bit green and just seems to take time to organise himself. Maybe he just does not have a great turn of foot and is more of a galloper..?
As for Corrybrough, he tried…but I do think softer ground will help as he did not seem to let himself down properly. I wouldn’t steam in next time, but perhaps a half decent wager, ground permitting.
Lost today – but that’s racing!
Zip
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A polite request to refrain from such childish nonsense in the future, thank you!.
Depends on your interpretation of childish.
Nah nah neee naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa naaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
Zip
Havent seen todays race yet so couldnt offer any firm opinions, however Bankable has run 7 times now and has yet to beat a single Group quality opponent imo.
To be fair to him, given he’s yet to contest a Group race, he’s hardly had many chances has he?
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I still think Corrybrough acts best over 5f and of course there’s going to be many doubters but the turn of foot he shows in a 5f sprint with 1f to go is the main reason everyone’s raving about this horse and I think today proved he can’t hold that impressive turn of foot for a longer period of time although I wouldn’t put it past Corrybrough putting to bed a 6f race.
I still think Corrybrough acts best over 5f and of course there’s going to be many doubters but the turn of foot he shows in a 5f sprint with 1f to go is the main reason everyone’s raving about this horse and I think today proved he can’t hold that impressive turn of foot for a longer period of time although I wouldn’t put it past Corrybrough putting to bed a 6f race.
Like most sprinters he’ll be better at 4 or 5, I find it a struggle to believe given todays race that up against a genuine top class sprinter next year (or later this maybe) like Apache Cat, Sacred Kingdom and to a certain extent Marchand D’Or, Sakhee’s Secret and from a personal point of view the Godolphin flying machine he might be found wanting by 2 or 3 lengths.
I’m of the feeling that Bankable was unlucky yesterday….only because he’s gone into a listed race having to carry a penalty, and has ran into an group 1 class filly getting a sex allowance. Without Passage of Time there, he would have been a most impressive winner. You could argue that Bankable has possibly run the race of his life yesterday.
The only negative points about Bankable I would agree with are;
1. Imo, for backers he was terrible value at 5/4 against some proven group class horses.
2. It was a modest pace & not a very good time, but that’s not really the fault of the horse.Bankable didn’t settle in the early stages, which did not help his cause. He was simply outstayed by a good filly in the closing stages. I still think there is further improvement to come and it won’t be too long until he wins a listed race. I think 10 furlongs is his ideal trip – though he evidently needs a stronger pace throughout.
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Bankable ran a blinder as far as I’m concerned. He got beat by a group 1 winning filly running in a listed race without a penalty. They pulled well clear of the rest.
I think any criticism of Bankable is extremely harsh its not his fault he’s been hyped or he started 5/4 favourite for yesterdays contest.
I think he’s capable of winning at group level but he’s probably not group 1 class.
Bankable was a terrible price yesterday but ran very well.
Coming from further back than the winner (held up in a slowly run race getting shuffled back after an initially good start). Produced with a good turn of foot, looked like winning but faultered close home.
Whether that was due to not staying the trip, feeling the ground or what. Did wear stick on shoes and is a big horse, must’ve hit the ground hard. May be it was due to temperament, has whipped round in the paddock and been on his toes / sweated up before. Too early to tell yet.
But this was the best race he has run in, the first two came clear of the rest in a slowly run race and are even better than the race suggests. To say Bankable is not genuine group class is a very strange statement in my opinion.
Mark
Value Is EverythingCorryborough probably ran to form (did not show the expected improvement) though it is possible will do better next year. Sort to improve with age. Was only the price he was due to others with better form being out of form. From the trainers comments may also do better with a bit of cut.
Mark
Value Is EverythingLooking at it from her connections’ point of view – she just scraped home in a Listed race, in a very slow time, from a supposedly improving handicapper in receipt of 8lbs.
I think the connections wil be very pleased. Easily beat a fair size listed field…bar one. One that many think is better than listed class anyway
Slow time? So what? It was a slow pace
There was (as Ginger points out) good daylight between front two and third. Taking the proximity of well beaten horses too literally is a dangerous game
But for now Bankable has it all to prove if he is to justify the potential star billing he attracted in some quarters both leading up to Ascot and in the immediate aftermath.
Agree. Didnt look like he fancied the pain barrier yesterday. I’d still like to see him on ground with give against proper Group horses before I’d draw any firm conclusions about him though.
Bit of a leap of faith to think that Bankable will get that sort of trip, firefox.
His full-sister Dolce Dovo, who granted wasn’t very good, did manage a second over 12f. in a maiden at Wolverhampton.
His dam, Dance to the Top, hasn’t produced a horse that has won over further than 10f.
Dave Nevison and Nick Luck, on RUK yesterday, were of the opinion that he wasn’t really staying on over yesterday’s trip, and suggested that his optimum trip would probably be over less than this.
Only their opinions of course, and until proved otherwise your opinion is as valid as theirs.
Colin
Come off it Firefox,
Has everything got to be black and white?
Take the winner out of the race and Bankable would’ve won it easily.
Did every other horse in the race run below form, including the winner?
I am willing to believe some horses did not show their best but not all.What race were you watching?
He showed a good turn of foot to come from well back in a slowly run race.If his temperament holds Bankable should be a force to reckon with in pattern events at a mile or 1m2f.
Mark
Value Is EverythingIn Passage Of Time’s other races this season she has shown a lack of pace held up in a slowly run 9f race, temperament or physical problems in the others. Yesterday, ridden more prominently and without whatever ailed her, POT came back to form.
She is not that consistent and may well run poorly again. Even at best she’d struggle in the Nassau.We agree Hearthstead Maison is one to take out of the race, provided not flattered by making the running in a slowly run race. To me he looked fairly fit in the paddock. Progressive profile and may be able to improve again this term. Possibly at Goodwood.
Bankable’s reputation means he often starts at a shorter price than he deserves, often opposable.
Mark
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