November 23, 2019 at 17:37 #1475673Ex RubyLightParticipant
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Wouldn’t you love to see all five of them in the Ryanair?
Douvan, Un De Sceaux, Altior, Frodon and Cyrname….
That would be some raceNovember 23, 2019 at 18:08 #1475674
Much rather see defi, chacun, douvan, altior and un de sceaux all go head to head over 2 milesNovember 23, 2019 at 18:13 #1475676Ray1891Participant
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CYRNAME gotta do it the other way nowNovember 23, 2019 at 18:29 #1475680Cork All StarParticipant
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With Cheltenham in mind, will Cyrname act left handed? He has not before but he is a better horse now. Having said that, all his best performances have been at Ascot. Not sure he should be favourite for the KG on a different track and stepping up in distance.
I still think Altior will end up in the Champion Chase.November 23, 2019 at 18:59 #1475682
Cyrname has run twice at kempton and won by 7 lengths and 11 lengths
And they were grade 2s so not Mickey mouse racesNovember 23, 2019 at 19:05 #1475683Mike007Participant
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Cyrname has to go right handed.November 23, 2019 at 19:48 #1475687botchy1Participant
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Both horses ran very well. Would be interesting to see how Cyrname run left handed also. Looks like all his improvement has come once they took the headgear off him IMO.November 23, 2019 at 20:13 #1475688
They may as well go to Cheltenham, if it doesnt go well plenty of time to freshen up before punchestownNovember 23, 2019 at 21:55 #1475691hamParticipant
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He wont do it away from todays conditionsNovember 23, 2019 at 22:41 #1475710DegaussedParticipant
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Cyrname has looked very quick and so far unproven over the King George trip. I wouldn’t be so quick to assume that he stays it.November 24, 2019 at 08:56 #1475744homersimpsonParticipant
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If Cyrname goes close and stays the KG trip Nicholls could take a punt in the Cotswold Chase at Cheltenham. Obviously if the ground is too deep he probably won’t risk him. If he jumps soundly around Cheltenham but doesn’t stay then Ryanair. If he does stay then probably a GC horse. If the old traits continue left handed then forget Cheltenham and Aintree and go to Punchestown for the GC.
A take on yesterday’s race is that NH must be extrememly disappointed. It sounded like they had done plenty of work with Altior and for him to be so tired after the race must be a concern. Altior had not run for 6 months but Cyrname hadn’t run for 9 so both horses could improve for the run. It’s whether NH wants to step Altior up further and also if he recovers in time for the KG.November 24, 2019 at 11:34 #1475764JasolongParticipant
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Keep reflecting on yesterday’s race and I can’t help feel underwhelmed by many things.
Cyrname has just beaten the most unbeatable horse in training yet I feel cyrname is very beatable this season and won’t go unbeaten. I can’t take to cyrname as he just seems a one trick pony. I don’t think he wins the king George even though it’s right handed I think he gets beat. Bit like BDM at Haydock , even though that lost yesterday haha.
As for Altior I believe he does stay atleast 2 and a half miles and that’s not why he lost. I believe he lost as he wasn’t himself. For a horse notorious for finding plenty off the bridle he found nothing. I know the step up in trip will slightly soften its turn of foot but still didn’t seem right to me. I don’t think Altior was 100% himself. I won’t be surprised if he’s off the track for a few months. Could also argue Altior wasn’t himself last season. Is he in decline or is there an issue?
Hate to take credit away from cyrname but for me because of the reasons above and the fact it was only a 3 horse race I think people shouldn’t get carried away with cyrname and also think people shouldn’t think Altior was at his best because I don’t think he wasNovember 24, 2019 at 12:28 #1475770Ghost of Rob VParticipant
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My initial thought after the race was that Altior didn’t possess the zest he’s showed in previous races. Even Luke Harvey mentioned at the end of ITV Racing that he looked ‘tired’ with his head down in the 2nd place enclosure. Thing is though, when nearly every champion gets beaten, excuses/reasons seem to come out of the gloom as to why the horse got beat. Now I feel that under the circumstances, the better horse won on the day.
Cyrname, to me, comes across like a rough-cut composite from the racing styles of Might Bite and Sprinter Sacre … which ain’t a bad thing really! I think the Altior vs Cyrname battles may well feature throughout a similar period when Denman and Kauto Star locked horns.November 24, 2019 at 13:29 #1475779He Didnt Like GroundParticipant
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It’s funny how you can take to horses and not others , when I look at my favs they all stand out as bold brave front runners grey abbey , native river etc , never been a fan of flashy ones …..lostintranslation is the newer member of my none flashy stable …I have high hopesNovember 25, 2019 at 13:03 #1475855The Tatling CheekilyParticipant
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I wonder if the people crabbing Cyrname are the same folk who were ridiculing the Handicapping team for rating the horse above Altior?
As for being a “one-trick Pony”, that trick appears to be running and jumping very fast, so a fairly useful trick for a NH Racehorse to possess.
As for Henderson, the excuse (“no excuses, but…”) about the lack of fitness is as tiresome as it was predictable. Nicholls would doubtless have trotted out the same line if the result was reversed. Perhaps Martin Pipe could visit and show this “Genius” how to get a horse fit whilst, y’know, ‘training’?
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