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Solwhit is better than Go Native at the moment. You can’t judge Solwhit on a 6 furlong sprint in the Fighting Fifth. It’s possible Go Native will improve in the Champion. But, it is on paper at least, a substandard race. CS is right.
It’s not a jibe, just a fact.
Does have it’s good points though, very competitive, open looking.
Gingertipster : Every single Go Native fan glosses over Voler’s win yet all call the Fighting Fifth Sprint a legitimate piece of form, I doubt if there’s all that much between Donnas Palm and Go Native…except value.
of course Solwhit has the best form.
Re Irish 2nd XI….any team minus half it’s stars would be considered "the reserves"I think the big mistake you are making is you forget Go Native won the Supreme off a fast pace. He’s not just a sprinter he’s already proved he can win of a fast pace. If he kicks 3 out like he did in the Supreme he’ll leave Solwhit standing and the rest. Solwhit could come back at him if he stops but that’s the million dollar question. The only horse who has the speed to go with Go Native if they decide to go early is Binocular and he’s under a cloud……or at least he supposed to be.
As far as Voler’s win over Go Native is concerend that has no basis on anything. Not unless her trainer has [expletive] for brains or she would be running in the Champion Hurdle. Go Native was no where near right that day according to Meade something his trainer balmed himslef for. In the same way he wasn’t right when Hurricane Fly beat him in much the same fashion. Come the Supreme he put all that behind him and make no mistake he’ll do the same in the Champion.
If you think Go Native was the same horse in that race than he was at Newcastle I give up hope for you.
Check what I said again, which was the Newcastle sprint didn’t suit Solwhit, not that Go Native needs a slow run race, nor that he probably deserves to be favourite.
More to the point… as Solwhit is out of the equation… there is probably not much between Donnas Palm and Go Native.
PS Having just read in the moning paper that some idiot on betfair as laid 999-1 Binocular to £52, that’s now the horse I’d REALLY like to see win, (not that I’ll be backing it though unless anyone offers me 999-1) what makes anyone risk so much for so little???? That’s sh*t for brainsWe’ve lost last seasons 2nd who has looked regressive all season anyway, for whatever reason.
Celestial Halo’s out?
I do reckon its a good race though. Dont think anything is out of the race that looked home and hosed so I couldnt really say it is a weak race, but cleaerly a few horses who have their supporters arent lining up, most importantly Solwhit looking dodgy to start after being favorite a matter of days ago, but looking at the race theres nothing that suggests it’s weak. Open maybe, weak no.
Think this will be a good race.
Ok smart arse, i have clearly confused the 2nd and 3rd from last seasons blanket finish – give yourself a gold star!
Ok smart [expletive], i have clearly confused the 2nd and 3rd from last seasons blanket finish – give yourself a gold star!
I actually had to go and check the markets PC, wasnt sure if i’d missed something, besides all the talk is that Binocular is looking likely to make it now, and mccoy has released an upbeat statement about him on sportinglife site today. So its not that bad a race.
I agree wholeheartedly – the negativity surrounding the race from some on here is OTT in my opinion.
"Fist" wrote: I think the big mistake you are making is you forget Go Native won the Supreme off a fast pace. He’s not just a sprinter he’s already proved he can win of a fast pace. If he kicks 3 out like he did in the Supreme he’ll leave Solwhit standing and the rest. Solwhit could come back at him if he stops but that’s the million dollar question. The only horse who has the speed to go with Go Native if they decide to go early is Binocular and he’s under a cloud……or at least he supposed to be.
As far as Voler’s win over Go Native is concerend that has no basis on anything. Not unless her trainer has [expletive] for brains or she would be running in the Champion Hurdle. Go Native was no where near right that day according to Meade something his trainer balmed himslef for. In the same way he wasn’t right when Hurricane Fly beat him in much the same fashion. Come the Supreme he put all that behind him and make no mistake he’ll do the same in the Champion.
If you think Go Native was the same horse in that race than he was at Newcastle I give up hope for you.
I’d be very surprised if he kicked as early as last year. I see it like this: if Go Native travels as well as he has been doing in all his races and cruises into the straight, Carberry can sit untill after the last before accelerating past whatever is towing him along, Harchibaldesque. Except this lad WILL accelerate in a way Harchi couldn’t.
This years Champion hurdle will be an absolute cracker, anyone doubting that knows sweet F,A about horse racing!That bloody Binocular is still the biggest threat to all!
I actually sympathise with those who laid Binocular at 999/1, as in 99% of these cases the horse is a non runner anyway and i bet they got caught with their pants down big time! Uimhiracethair is the same price for the RSA now its a Non runner! It might do a Forpady and a Binocular and still run mind! Somebodys playing the system me thinks!
I actually sympathise with those who laid Binocular at 999/1, as in 99% of these cases the horse is a non runner anyway
Exactly my point and I’m suprised you feel sorry for them, they were effectively "bookmakers" trying to steal punters cash on a non runner
Considering the slagging I got for having three EW doubles and an EW treble up and getting some punters money back off the bookies, got called "an each way theif" etc, surely we shouldn’t sympathise with these "ante post theives"I agree the race should be a cracker with no outstanding runner, I’m expecting a bunch of Irish horses jumping the last all well in contention (Go Native included) but after much deliberation my cash will be going on DONNAS PALM, EW of course, take out his "gone missing period" last year, the only horses to have ever beaten him are Hurricane Fly, Mikael D’Hageunet, Rite Of Passage (Flat) and Solwhit. Not a bad bunch of horse?
…and maybe with a tiny EW saver on Won In The Dark although he looks well held by Donnas on their running behind Solwhit
What will p*ss these people off is the fact you have to have the funds in your account to lay £52 at 999/1,the guy might have only had £52,001 in it,now its empty.pending the result!!
What will p*ss these people off is the fact you have to have the funds in your account to lay £52 at 999/1,the guy might have only had £52,001 in it,now its empty.pending the result!!
I imagine he’ll have kept enough cash back to buy several changes of underwear which I’m sure he’ll need in the unlikely event of Binocular being alongside The Irish contingent at the last
I actually sympathise with those who laid Binocular at 999/1, as in 99% of these cases the horse is a non runner anyway
Exactly my point and I’m suprised you feel sorry for them, they were effectively "bookmakers" trying to steal punters cash on a non runner
Considering the slagging I got for having three EW doubles and an EW treble up and getting some punters money back off the bookies, got called "an each way theif" etc, surely we shouldn’t sympathise with these "ante post theives"I very much doubt that’s the case, people generally aren’t laying non runners at 999/1 to make money it’s usually the big players balancing their markets and getting liquidity back into their accounts.
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I think the big mistake you are making is you forget Go Native won the Supreme off a fast pace. He’s not just a sprinter he’s already proved he can win of a fast pace. If he kicks 3 out like he did in the Supreme he’ll leave Solwhit standing and the rest. Solwhit could come back at him if he stops but that’s the million dollar question. The only horse who has the speed to go with Go Native if they decide to go early is Binocular and he’s under a cloud……or at least he supposed to be.
As far as Voler’s win over Go Native is concerend that has no basis on anything. Not unless her trainer has [expletive] for brains or she would be running in the Champion Hurdle. Go Native was no where near right that day according to Meade something his trainer balmed himslef for. In the same way he wasn’t right when Hurricane Fly beat him in much the same fashion. Come the Supreme he put all that behind him and make no mistake he’ll do the same in the Champion.
If you think Go Native was the same horse in that race than he was at Newcastle I give up hope for you.
I’d be very surprised if he kicked as early as last year. I see it like this: if Go Native travels as well as he has been doing in all his races and cruises into the straight, Carberry can sit untill after the last before accelerating past whatever is towing him along, Harchibaldesque. Except this lad WILL accelerate in a way Harchi couldn’t.
Like Harchibald, I just can’t see Go Native lasting home.
It’s alright saying he won the Supreme off a decent pace, but he won by virtue of a burst of speed 2 from home and was all out to hold on against the unlucky Medermit. He then didn’t last home on softer ground at Punchestown, and the only other time he’s met a decent pace was Kempton, where again he just held on.
This is an altogether different test to the Supreme, better horses make it so, and I can’t see him in the first 3.Like Harchibald, I just can’t see Go Native lasting home.
Spot on imo. Lay of the meeting.
Bit trickier than that imo. I was against him on a number of points but not anymore. The key to this race is tactical pace, and the pace at which the race will be run at.
If Celestial, Zaynar and, bustling them up, Solwhit, were guaranteed to run a lung-bursting race, then yes, the stamina stretch argument comes in. It’s essentially what Binocular couldn’t handle.
But with Solwhit an unlikely runner (at 100% anyway) and Zaynar needing to show better form, that brutal pace is far from guaranteed – Halo would be better served slowing them up and then kicking all out at the top of the hill. something Ruby said he might have done last year.
Go Native stays. He was so much better than his field he had no option in the Supreme, and he held on well (I backed Medermit).
With the pace of the race questionable – it could even fall apart a bit – and with the ground goodish, the speedsters have a major chance, although not Starluck types.
Harchibald and Go Native aren’t twin brothers FFS they just happen to be trained by the same man.
Harchibald and Go Native aren’t twin brothers FFS they just happen to be trained by the same man.
After much deliberation and viewing endless old clips it looks to me as if Noele Meade has the best chance of winning the race this year.
Therefore I’ve placed my opening bet for The Festival
15 Points EW DONNAS PALM NRNB @ 40-1
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