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  • #1763978
    Avatar photoCork All Star
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    Anyone thinking of going to Epsom next Tuesday: don’t. The meeting has been abandoned due to an issue with the drainage and irrigation system.

    The meeting has been moved to the following Tuesday instead. Tickets will be valid.

    https://www.racingpost.com/news/britain/epsoms-first-meeting-of-the-season-rearranged-after-a-burst-irrigation-system-prevented-watering-at-track-abVJn3O897pk/

    At least it doesn’t sound as serious as the situation at Brighton, where its first meeting of the season has been abandoned because of damage to the track caused by leatherjackets. They can cause serious problems, as they did at Bath a few years ago.

    #1763981
    Landafar
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    Thanks for the heads up, was thinking about it.

    #1765225
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    The ground staff have been very busy today, assumedly checking for any damage after the recent work.

    I passed the racecourse at approximately one o’clock and they were out then; they took a bit of a break but are back now.

    Edit: the sprinklers have now been turned on for about 100 yards after Tattenham Corner and into the straight.

    Second edit: they are also watering the 5f chute, although nothing up the hill from Tattenham Corner.

    #1767498
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    They’ve built some new temporary stand between Tattenham Corner Road and the racecourse: for those unfamiliar with the area, that’s between the 5F start and the main course.

    I’ve been going to the Derby since 1980 but I don’t recall seeing this erection (snigger) before. 🤷‍♂️

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    #1767499
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    I think they are expecting a pretty big crowd compared to other years.

    The more I know the less I understand.

    #1767501
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    Given the weather forecast, “they” might be disappointed.

    After ten days or so of glorious weather in the area, the forecast for next week is pretty wet.

    #1767513
    runandskip84
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    I notice that the whole of the inside viewing of the final furlong is now hospitality sadly

    #1767515
    Avatar photoGladiateur
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    Bring back the buses.

    #1767539
    Helcatmudwrestler
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    The buses were great , for my mind Tattenhan Corner and the buses the iconic parts of the Derby .

    #1767565
    chestnut
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    I’m impressed Glad that you have been going since 1980. I myself have been to everyone since 1983.

    Over the years that 5f stretch has become more and more enclosed.

    #1767751
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    It started raining about 21:00 here and hasn’t stopped. Not heavy rain, but steady.

    #1767756
    chestnut
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    I have just heard they have been watering the course today. (that is not a joke)

    #1767761
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    Thunderstorm and hail at the moment.

    #1767764
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    Not sure why they are watering after heavy rain with the going currently described as good and good to soft in places.

    The more I know the less I understand.

    #1767767
    LD73
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    20mm overnight and a further 5mm this morning on ground ground artificially watered to be good (good to firm in places) prior to the rain.

    It is now described as good to soft (good in places) – had they not watered last week (after already watering to ensure good ground for Breakfast with the Stars morning) the ground naturally after this rain would have likely been no worse than good and with the unsettled and cooler forecast this week (which means the course won’t dry very quickly) any more bits of rain would make it good to soft at worse.

    Now if said bits of rain that are forecast this week are (like last night) worse than forecast then we could be looking at soft ground and given that they are racing on Friday which could open the ground up any more rain going into Saturday could make it very testing.

    They could easily have held off watering last week until this rain band passed through which would have still given them plenty of time to water before Friday if the rain wasn’t as much as forecast or didn’t come at all.

    Those fluent actioned fast ground loving horses have once again had their chances compromised by this incessant need to water to provide at best good ground and in some cases even good to soft for Summer flat racing, which wherever possible should always be aimed to be run on good to firm ground – the Lingfield Derby & Oaks trials were run on good to firm ground so (weather permitting) why can’t the Derby/Oaks be the same as we know Lingfield is the closest replica course to Epsom and nobody seemed to have any qualms about coming downhill at Lingfield on fast ground.

    This continued overwatering is ensuring that the breed is getting weaker (as more and more horses being bred will need softer ground and won’t be able to act on traditional summer flat racing ground), it is even worse for NH racing as we hear more trainers threatening not to run horses on ground that doesn’t have soft in the description.

    A COTC’s job is to provide safe ground and only intervene when the weather doesn’t look like playing ball – good to firm with no jar in it is perfectly safe ground and if you happen to have a horse that likes softer ground then (just like those that like faster ground but in the Autumn it ends up being too soft) you either don’t run your horse or roll the dice.

    Rant over……..probably ;-)

    #1767774
    apracing
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    Criticism may be justified, but let’s at least stick to the facts:

    Watering:20mm in total applied Monday-Friday of last week. 5mm to entire course Saturday. No watering Sunday or Monday.

    That’s from the BHA site.

    #1767778
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    What about today AP?

    I was reliably informed that they were watering the course today.

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