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- August 5, 2010 at 18:09 #311160
The case has been referred to the BHA. That is when the facts will emerge. At present all we have to go on is:-
1) Our subjective opinions based on our perception as to how well or not the horse was ridden.
(a) We know the horse was a bit edgy going into the stalls and was slowly away.
(b) The jockey did not panic and was rightly content to let the horse follow the field.
(c) It had earlier been broadcast that there was a faster strip of ground on the far side and the jockey chose to move across in that direction.
(d) The horse seemed to be wanting its head though the jockey was restraining it at the same time as looking for a gap between the horses in front. The gap was marginal.
(e) Maneuvering the horse several times it was only in the last furlong that the jockey began to make real progress and found a gap.
(f) It would appear that by that time the winner was not for catching and the jockey seems to have accepted this situation and appears not to have made a great attempt to overly-exert himself, and possibly missed out on placing the horse.
(g) In hindsight had the jockey maintained his original mid-course line the horse might have won, but the jockey could not have predicted this.
2) There is no evidence of unusual betting patterns.
3) The jockey ranks as bargain basement quality.I reckon it’s going to be very hard for the BHA to prove the non-trier offence. At most I reckon the jockey might be stood down for a month.
August 5, 2010 at 18:13 #311161JJ Behan
year ……….. Wins ……….. Runs
1996 ……….. 10 ……….. 106
1997 ……….. 0 ……….. 44
1998 ……….. 7 ……….. 110
1999 ……….. 16 ……….. 188
2000 ……….. 6 ……….. 80
2001 ……….. 2 ……….. 113
2002 ……….. 0 ……….. 32
2003 ……….. 1 ……….. 68
2004 ……….. 0 ……….. 11
2005 ……….. 4 ……….. 100
2006 ……….. 0 ……….. 7
2007 ……….. 0 ……….. 9
2008 ……….. 0 ……….. 10
2010 ……….. 0 ……….. 746 winners.
August 5, 2010 at 18:13 #311162
AnonymousInactive- Total Posts 17716
Pinza, are you just ignorant or on a wind up? Did I or did I not say that my post was not meant to be rude, and that I apologised in advance?
I plead guilty to ignorance, which is a precious gift to be cherished at any cost. As Great Oscar put it:
"Ignorance is a delicate, exotic fruit. Touch it, and the bloom is gone."
I haven’t got the "wind up" though, as two gavascon tablets earlier in the day have much eased me on the eructation front. I thank you for your concern.
As for apologising in advance as an excuse for bald-faced rudeness, if Napoleon had said "I do apologise, dear people" before invading Moscow, would that have been any excuse for his discourtesy in raping and pillaging Holy Mother Russia?
By the way, I envy your ability (as in this instance) to see things so clearly in black and white. Another gift to be cherished at all costs.
August 5, 2010 at 18:19 #311165JJ Behan
year ……….. Wins ……….. Runs
1996 ……….. 10 ……….. 106
1997 ……….. 0 ……….. 44
1998 ……….. 7 ……….. 110
1999 ……….. 16 ……….. 188
2000 ……….. 6 ……….. 80
2001 ……….. 2 ……….. 113
2002 ……….. 0 ……….. 32
2003 ……….. 1 ……….. 68
2004 ……….. 0 ……….. 11
2005 ……….. 4 ……….. 100
2006 ……….. 0 ……….. 7
2007 ……….. 0 ……….. 9
2008 ……….. 0 ……….. 10
2010 ……….. 0 ……….. 746 winners.
And 7 wins from 177 rides in 1995. He had been riding for a while before that, too.
August 5, 2010 at 18:29 #311167
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And 7 wins from 177 rides in 1995. He had been riding for a while before that, too.
1995 – good lord. Poor chap’s probably close to his pension. No wonder he’s not quite so strong in a finish as perhaps he used to be … might also indicate he’s too arthritic to successfully adopt the crouch position!
The more we think about it, the harder it seems the BHA will find it to make any charges stick.
Thanks to you and Cav for valuable posts, based on fact rather than mere asserted opinion.
August 5, 2010 at 18:33 #311168You may have a point.
August 5, 2010 at 18:40 #311169Pinza wrote….might also indicate he’s too arthritic to successfully adopt the crouch position!
Forgive my ignorance dear Pinza, but do you think arthritis could be to blame for me not being able to adopt the missionary position? Your medical expertise would be gratefully received.
Thank you, in anticipation,
KenAugust 5, 2010 at 18:53 #311171Interesting photo, Prufrock. Without doubt, this guy’s mugshot proves to me at least that he’s as honest as the day is long. Clearly, butter wouldn’t melt in his mouth and he has honesty written all over his face. I bet you he’s good to his mum as well.
August 5, 2010 at 19:38 #311178
AnonymousInactive- Total Posts 17716
Forgive my ignorance dear Pinza, but do you think arthritis could be to blame for me not being able to adopt the missionary position? Your medical expertise would be gratefully received.
Thank you, in anticipation,
KenKen,
My own medical qualifications allow only for tentative diagnosis, but I would say – yes: if you are attempting to adopt the missionary position whilst (a) riding a racehorse and (b) suffering from arthritis, the consequences could well be fatal, both to the horse and yourself. Wiser heads than I would need to firm up on this one, though.Meanwhile, that photo of Mr Behan gives cause for concern beyond any Little Local Difficulty with the BHA….
August 5, 2010 at 19:51 #311179I’ve looked at the part that matters again – the jockey is hooking the horse left and right way before he needs to steer round, split horses or take a gap up the rail. He’s pulling the horse in all directions before gaps even matter. For example 2 1/2f out, for the first time he darts left, seemingly, aiming to go to the far-side rail, and before the horse had even got within 5 horse widths of that rail, and before the horse was near another horse by that rail, the horse was having his head strangled violently away from the far-side rail back into trouble. The jockey couldn’t even anticipate from that position if any other horse was holding the far-side rail around at least 5 lengths ahead of him.
Watching it again I have even less doubts than before.
August 5, 2010 at 20:03 #311180It is clear that the horse was quite obviously doing precisely the opposite of what the jockey was asking him to do for a large section of the race.
As for the jockey – has hasn’t ridden a winner for 5 years! The surprise being shown at his lack of ability is akin to being surprised that a D A Nolan horse runs disappointingly.
I’m amazed this has created such a hysterical reaction from some experienced punters and racereaders. The Barney Curley horse that blazed off at a million miles an hour yesterday was a far more unsatisfactory effort imo.
August 5, 2010 at 20:27 #311187The Barney Curley horse that blazed off at a million miles an hour yesterday was a far more unsatisfactory effort imo.
I agree totally. It matters all the same and it should be classed in the same category. Wait for Phil Smith and his team to aid Barney by dropping it 5lb for running more lbs below it’s form than its rated in the same unit prior to yesterdays run. Just like he did with Jeu De Roseau, Tusculum etc, of course.
Then again, Phil has already dropped the horse 6lbs in 2008 between runs after the horse ran 75l last in a 10f handicap, so something is already building like with other notable incidents conducted in a similar style.
So just in case Phil Smith reads this site, and I doubt he does, I’m not after-timing like you claimed Eddie Fremantle was with his comments regarding Jeu De Roseau; I’m stating that if you drop this horse for that run, you are WRONG to do so.
August 5, 2010 at 20:27 #311188TDK I’m trying to keep an open mind on this but have a look at the horse’s previous runs, the latest under this jockey after he changed ownership and tell me you still don’t have concerns. In all those last runs he races prominently and including when partnered by Mr Behan, shows none of the awkward head carriage or tendency to hang shown in the Newcastle run.
Of course it’s not a crime to change tactics on a horse but to go from making the running/pressing the leader to dropping out a long last combined with some very strange manoevres makes me a bit less forgiving than your good self.August 5, 2010 at 20:40 #311192In terms of the race tactics, I guess the jockey was riding to orders.
Don’t get me wrong, it was a bizarre and frankly awful ride, but I have seen far more obvious "stopping jobs" than this – indeed one on the very same day. There is surely no question that the horse was a most unwilling partner in this race?
August 5, 2010 at 20:49 #311196I think there’s a huge doubt as to if the horse is the most unwilling partner, if actually unwilling at all to begin with. The first manoeuvre is hard to explain. And it’s one where the horses "unwillingness" wasn’t a factor in anyway, imo. That far-side rail was available – the horse was only prevented from going there by a jockey who pulled his head off back in the opposite direction.
August 5, 2010 at 21:09 #311203Please explain what you mean by, and to whom you are applying, the word "hysterical", TDK.
August 5, 2010 at 21:11 #311204Running over an extra furlong tomorrow, going will be slower. Definitely not a certainty. I reckon he’ll break fast, be ridden hell for leather and will run out of steam in the final furlong.
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