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a quiet ride mid-pack followed by a couple of "attempts" to get through no-existent gaps and early acceptance of the situation would have been a more anonymous way to do it.
With a difficult horse, not easily done, unless you are a very good jockey.
OneEye. Your obviously an expert on the subject of riding a thoroughbred. I had always thought that not many horses run in a straight line, hence a jockey being on it’s back. Maybe we should have racing with no jockeys, that way all the horses would break in an even line when leaving the stalls, pace themselves perfectly during the course of the race, run in a straight line, and then try their hardest in the finish.
Is it time for The Rabble to institute remedial saddle application classes for the trainers of these beamed in beasts? Vertuex doubles in price then its saddle come off.
OneEye. Your obviously an expert on the subject of riding a thoroughbred. I had always thought that not many horses run in a straight line, hence a jockey being on it’s back. Maybe we should have racing with no jockeys, that way all the horses would break in an even line when leaving the stalls, pace themselves perfectly during the course of the race, run in a straight line, and then try their hardest in the finish.
You know exactly what I mean mate so there’s no need for the sarcastic OTT post.
If people want to defend the ride then go ahead, but I’ll stand by what I say in that you know nothing about horseracing. In my opinion – and it’s just my opinion – the horse was deliberately stopped from winning by the jockey’s actions.
And for the record, this morning I watched every race Casela Park has ever had.
Whilst it’s true that the horse does pull, the horse has no record of throwing its head in the air at the business end of the race. Why? Well the simple answer is the horse was being asked for maximum effort at this stage in previous races.
Was it asked for maximum effort at the business end yesterday? No it wasn’t. The horse was prevented from winning by virtue of the jockey constantly switching the horse left, then right, then left, then right.
I find it staggering that some people don’t think there’s anything wrong with the ride – quite staggering in fact.
OneEye. I agree it wasn’t a great ride, my point that the horse is a b***ard, made in look alot worse though.
Your assumption that I know little about horse racing is far from the mark. For the record when you leave school tonight, watch the 4.40 from Yarmouth and tell me if the horse was hanging or was Jamie Spencer trying not to win. The horse opened oncourse at 5/1 drifted out to 7/1, and touched 10 on Betfair before the race. If it had got turned over I dare say that you would have been calling for Mr Spencer’s head, and claiming that this was another "bent" race. In my uneducated opinion this horse is another b***ard but this was an excellent ride.
Glen all very wonderful except for the fact that the Musselburgh race is actually worth less plus see the following para
I still can’t see what there was to gain from running a bent race in this case. If it’s for a coup the odds were quite long enough at Newcastle and the sensible thing as I said before would be to win here and follow up under a penalty. Then what do I know I’m obviously not good at conspiracy theoriesGlen all very wonderful except for the fact that the Musselburgh race is actually worth less plus see the following para
I still can’t see what there was to gain from running a bent race in this case. If it’s for a coup the odds were quite long enough at Newcastle and the sensible thing as I said before would be to win here and follow up under a penalty. Then what do I know I’m obviously not good at conspiracy theoriesThe trainer waffled on about how the horse was an each way chance before the race amongst a few other things, so what could the motive be? There’s only so much you can say on here, which I understand, but place laying does exist.
Glen all very wonderful except for the fact that the Musselburgh race is actually worth less plus see the following para
I still can’t see what there was to gain from running a bent race in this case. If it’s for a coup the odds were quite long enough at Newcastle and the sensible thing as I said before would be to win here and follow up under a penalty. Then what do I know I’m obviously not good at conspiracy theoriesIf the initial odds were long yesterday, presumably they would have been longer on Friday following a tame effort two days previously.
Unless, the RP is reporting it wrong the Mussleburgh race is worth more than yesterday’s heat.
And "they" certainly wouldn’t want a penalty for Musselburgh based upon the trainers comments both before and afterwards about how the weight was so big. It’s 9st 12lb without a penalty at Musselburgh, which is just 1lb less than the weight carried yesterday.
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If people want to defend the ride then go ahead, but I’ll stand by what I say in that you know nothing about horseracing. In my opinion – and it’s just my opinion – the horse was deliberately stopped from winning by the jockey’s actions.
You can expect sarcastic posts if you pen such rude messages, which as far as "politeness" goes are in the same class as the Pope’s when he wrote to the Archbishop of Canterbury "You serve God in your way, and I’ll serve him in His".
If you are prepared to allow other people their opinion, fine. Telling them in the same breath that they know nothing about horse racing is obviously not going to win you any medals either for kindness or consistency.
It’s rather as if Voltaire had said: "I’ll defend to the death your right to say what you like, but I’ll kill you for saying it."
Just watched the replay, that is a shocking ride. At first look I’d have said the money wasn’t on and it looked as if the horse is better than connections thought it was.
Maybe, though the lad is just utterly hopeless? After watching another of his rides that may be the answer……….. I just watched his ride on the same horse when he finished 4th at Leopardstown, Val Jackson would have been much harder on the horse and I’m not knocking Val…….. let into the straight looking like the winner, "ridden out" in snatches by hands and heels.
What now? If, as seems likely on that run, he hoses up tomorrow they will no doubt be in even deeper trouble especially if the cash is down. The only out for the stable seems to be change the jockey and hang the apprentice out to dry for the Newcastle run, after all, someone’s going to get a ban, surely?
I think I’ll pass what does appear to be a good thing tomorrow unless there’s a late jockey change, JJ Behan has yet to ride a winner, in 29 runs he’s yet to get one in the frame
Pinza, are you just ignorant or on a wind up? Did I or did I not say that my post was not meant to be rude, and that I apologised in advance?
It was a statement and I’ll state it again. Anyone, and I mean absolutely anyone, who defends that ride yesterday knows nothing about horseracing in my opinion.
If that’s too rude for you then I suggest you shut up and don’t reply – or better still, find some spilt milk and go and cry over it.
OneEye. I agree it wasn’t a great ride, my point that the horse is a b***ard, made in look alot worse though.
Your assumption that I know little about horse racing is far from the mark. For the record when you leave school tonight, watch the 4.40 from Yarmouth and tell me if the horse was hanging or was Jamie Spencer trying not to win. The horse opened oncourse at 5/1 drifted out to 7/1, and touched 10 on Betfair before the race. If it had got turned over I dare say that you would have been calling for Mr Spencer’s head, and claiming that this was another "bent" race. In my uneducated opinion this horse is another b***ard but this was an excellent ride.
I haven’t assumed anything mate. I don’t attend school and haven’t done for over 20 years.
And why is the horse – in your uneductated opinion – a b**stard? Because the trainer says so. Will that be the same trainer who is soon to be at the BHA because of yesterday’s antics.
It really is the funniest thing I’ve ever read on here to read someone say yesterday’s ride was an excellent one.
Come back and say that after the BHA have held their enquiry.
I have nothing else to say on the matter until such time.
JJ Behan has yet to ride a winner…
Bizarrely, I find myself almost like this guy’s biographer.
Again, J J Behan rode over 50 winners between 1995 and 2005, since when things have gone rather quiet. He can’t be earning much. From riding winners, anyway.
I agree with apracing’s remarks earlier, in which he cited this horse’s previous run for the same jockey at Leopardstown. The past evidence is that not only can J J Behan ride adequately, he can ride with both hands.
JJ Behan has yet to ride a winner…
Bizarrely, I find myself almost like this guy’s biographer.
Again, J J Behan rode over 50 winners between 1995 and 2005, since when things have gone rather quiet. He can’t be earning much. From riding winners, anyway.
I agree with apracing’s remarks earlier, in which he cited this horse’s previous run for the same jockey at Leopardstown. The past evidence is that not only can J J Behan ride adequately, he can ride with both hands.
Appologies for my error regarding his record…..can he use a whip? Does he carry one?
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