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Can Camelot still win St Leger? Encke positive test

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  • #440301
    indocine
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    The BHA must be burning the midnight oil figuring out how they are going to not hand down half of headquarters an equivalent eight year stretch. Oh the trials of being copper, judge and jury.

    I submit Your Bittarness, stanozolol is not really stanozolol at all when it’s called Sungate and injected for a homespun veterinary research project into joint troubles.

    #440302
    eddie case
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    [quote="moehat" I thought it was a real sporting gesture of Coolmore to go for the triple crown.

    That would be far more applicable to the Irish Derby, they ran in the Leger entirely for their own benefit, they said as much themselves and nothing wrong with that.

    #440305
    moehat
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    I can’t agree with that given that the St Leger hasn’t been a particularly prestigious race for a long time [especially in future breeding terms]and it probably scuppered Camelot’s chance of a good run in the Arc.

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    Avatar photoMiss Woodford
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    There’s a picture of Encke crossing the line first at Doncaster, in today’s Telegraph.

    The picture is very telling as for even a layman like me I can see he’s very bulky in front- noticeably more so than those in behind, like Camelot for example.

    He’s so bulky in fact he looks more like a Quarterhorse than a staying type :shock:

    :roll: There is absolutely no way to tell if a horse is on steroids just by looking at them. Many horses are naturally muscular. The Bold Ruler line in particular seems to produce a lot of chunky horses (see A. P. Indy and his sons/grandsons) that can stay very well. I’ve seen plenty of Storm Cat and Mr. Prospector (Encke is the latter) horses who are built like brick houses, too.

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    Avatar photoRedRum77
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    A negative drug test means very little, and the whole thing is mighty suspicious.

    Agreed!! But for the purpose of the St Leger, it’s all we have to go on. An awarded race to Camelot would be a hollow victory like what you state further on.

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    Peruvian Chief
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    There’s a picture of Encke crossing the line first at Doncaster, in today’s Telegraph.

    The picture is very telling as for even a layman like me I can see he’s very bulky in front- noticeably more so than those in behind, like Camelot for example.

    He’s so bulky in fact he looks more like a Quarterhorse than a staying type :shock:

    Another load of drivel. Please shut up.

    #440321
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    A negative drug test means very little, and the whole thing is mighty suspicious.

    Agreed!! But for the purpose of the St Leger, it’s all we have to go on. An awarded race to Camelot would be a hollow victory like what you state further on.

    Hollow or not, if Enke is to be disqualified, he should be disqualified. The fact it was the St Leger and Camelot was going for the Triple Crown shouldn’t come into it. When Dunguib was disqualified after the Punchestown Champion Bumper, Sweeps Hill was awarded the race. Of course, Dunguib tested positive for the day of the race. Opinion on whether Enke should be disqualified seems divided, but if he is to be, Camelot should be awarded the St Leger and Triple Crown.

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    elgransenor1
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    There’s a picture of Encke crossing the line first at Doncaster, in today’s Telegraph.

    The picture is very telling as for even a layman like me I can see he’s very bulky in front- noticeably more so than those in behind, like Camelot for example.

    He’s so bulky in fact he looks more like a Quarterhorse than a staying type :shock:

    Another load of drivel. Please shut up.

    Rather than shutting up, I’ve got a better idea.

    I’ll put your troll arse on my block list. :lol:

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    There’s a picture of Encke crossing the line first at Doncaster, in today’s Telegraph.

    The picture is very telling as for even a layman like me I can see he’s very bulky in front- noticeably more so than those in behind, like Camelot for example.

    He’s so bulky in fact he looks more like a Quarterhorse than a staying type :shock:

    I also notice that he quite clearly appears to be going faster than Camelot in that photo. You can just tell.

    And he’s an immigrant.

    Mike

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    andyod
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    Most American racehorses have been on steroids from the day their preparation started for the sales.After that who knows. Home breds probably not.The breed for speed philosophy prevails in the US.

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    Avatar photoMiss Woodford
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    Most American racehorses have been on steroids from the day their preparation started for the sales.After that who knows. Home breds probably not.The breed for speed philosophy prevails in the US.

    [citation needed]

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    Not up to me; up to the racing authority.If one thinks otherwise one is surely satisfying their need for a simpler time, a more childlike community of racehorse handlers.Racing is dying in the US from drugs ,steroids and the need to win at all costs.The horses are slowly returning to quarterhorse physique and running over shorter distances.For starters read Talking Horses published by The Blood Horse.

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    Avatar photoMiss Woodford
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    Not up to me; up to the racing authority.If one thinks otherwise one is surely satisfying their need for a simpler time, a more childlike community of racehorse handlers.Racing is dying in the US from drugs ,steroids and the need to win at all costs.The horses are slowly returning to quarterhorse physique and running over shorter distances.For starters read Talking Horses published by The Blood Horse.

    Racing is dying in the US for the same reason that baseball, basketball, NASCAR, golf, and hockey are dying in the US; the NFL has completely monopolized spectator sports in this country. People are now gambling more on football than on any other sport. Football, both professional and college, gets all the primetime network TV spots, the vast majority of sports magazine/newspaper/website coverage, and more companies are funneling their money to the league. Of course the other issues in American racing aren’t helping, but even a squeaky-clean sport would still be in decline.

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    Are racetracks closing, meetings diminishing and purses remaining constant Miss W?

    Or do you have the somewhat head-in-the-sand scenario to the UK with both racetracks and meetings remaining more or less constant with purses dropping?

    #440474
    andyod
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    Another problem is the land is required for building developments.This is the final year racing at Hollywood Park.No city will help where the sport is drug filled.If racing was drug free it might survive but just like baseball the fans are drifting away from a drug filled environment.Talk about killing the goose…….We either get rid of the drugs or doom racing to the sports ghetto of drugs and gambling and lose the next generation of fans.Those fans can race at home on their computer

    #440477
    indocine
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    We either get rid of the drugs or doom racing to the sports ghetto of drugs and gambling and lose the next generation of fans.Those fans can race at home on their computer

    We have already lost the next generation because they still think racing is the draw. Racing for the largest part is as dull as ditchwater which is why it can’t survive without subsidy.

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