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- May 21, 2013 at 16:27 #440301
The BHA must be burning the midnight oil figuring out how they are going to not hand down half of headquarters an equivalent eight year stretch. Oh the trials of being copper, judge and jury.
I submit Your Bittarness, stanozolol is not really stanozolol at all when it’s called Sungate and injected for a homespun veterinary research project into joint troubles.
May 21, 2013 at 16:44 #440302[quote="moehat" I thought it was a real sporting gesture of Coolmore to go for the triple crown.
That would be far more applicable to the Irish Derby, they ran in the Leger entirely for their own benefit, they said as much themselves and nothing wrong with that.
May 21, 2013 at 16:57 #440305I can’t agree with that given that the St Leger hasn’t been a particularly prestigious race for a long time [especially in future breeding terms]and it probably scuppered Camelot’s chance of a good run in the Arc.
May 21, 2013 at 18:24 #440309There’s a picture of Encke crossing the line first at Doncaster, in today’s Telegraph.
The picture is very telling as for even a layman like me I can see he’s very bulky in front- noticeably more so than those in behind, like Camelot for example.
He’s so bulky in fact he looks more like a Quarterhorse than a staying type

There is absolutely no way to tell if a horse is on steroids just by looking at them. Many horses are naturally muscular. The Bold Ruler line in particular seems to produce a lot of chunky horses (see A. P. Indy and his sons/grandsons) that can stay very well. I’ve seen plenty of Storm Cat and Mr. Prospector (Encke is the latter) horses who are built like brick houses, too.May 21, 2013 at 18:49 #440313A negative drug test means very little, and the whole thing is mighty suspicious.
Agreed!! But for the purpose of the St Leger, it’s all we have to go on. An awarded race to Camelot would be a hollow victory like what you state further on.
May 21, 2013 at 18:54 #440314There’s a picture of Encke crossing the line first at Doncaster, in today’s Telegraph.
The picture is very telling as for even a layman like me I can see he’s very bulky in front- noticeably more so than those in behind, like Camelot for example.
He’s so bulky in fact he looks more like a Quarterhorse than a staying type

Another load of drivel. Please shut up.
May 21, 2013 at 19:19 #440321A negative drug test means very little, and the whole thing is mighty suspicious.
Agreed!! But for the purpose of the St Leger, it’s all we have to go on. An awarded race to Camelot would be a hollow victory like what you state further on.
Hollow or not, if Enke is to be disqualified, he should be disqualified. The fact it was the St Leger and Camelot was going for the Triple Crown shouldn’t come into it. When Dunguib was disqualified after the Punchestown Champion Bumper, Sweeps Hill was awarded the race. Of course, Dunguib tested positive for the day of the race. Opinion on whether Enke should be disqualified seems divided, but if he is to be, Camelot should be awarded the St Leger and Triple Crown.
May 21, 2013 at 19:20 #440322There’s a picture of Encke crossing the line first at Doncaster, in today’s Telegraph.
The picture is very telling as for even a layman like me I can see he’s very bulky in front- noticeably more so than those in behind, like Camelot for example.
He’s so bulky in fact he looks more like a Quarterhorse than a staying type

Another load of drivel. Please shut up.
Rather than shutting up, I’ve got a better idea.
I’ll put your troll arse on my block list.
May 21, 2013 at 19:44 #440325There’s a picture of Encke crossing the line first at Doncaster, in today’s Telegraph.
The picture is very telling as for even a layman like me I can see he’s very bulky in front- noticeably more so than those in behind, like Camelot for example.
He’s so bulky in fact he looks more like a Quarterhorse than a staying type

I also notice that he quite clearly appears to be going faster than Camelot in that photo. You can just tell.
And he’s an immigrant.
Mike
May 21, 2013 at 20:03 #440329valid blog in my view
May 21, 2013 at 20:04 #440332Most American racehorses have been on steroids from the day their preparation started for the sales.After that who knows. Home breds probably not.The breed for speed philosophy prevails in the US.
May 21, 2013 at 23:15 #440354Most American racehorses have been on steroids from the day their preparation started for the sales.After that who knows. Home breds probably not.The breed for speed philosophy prevails in the US.
[citation needed]
May 22, 2013 at 02:25 #440359Not up to me; up to the racing authority.If one thinks otherwise one is surely satisfying their need for a simpler time, a more childlike community of racehorse handlers.Racing is dying in the US from drugs ,steroids and the need to win at all costs.The horses are slowly returning to quarterhorse physique and running over shorter distances.For starters read Talking Horses published by The Blood Horse.
May 22, 2013 at 23:07 #440441Not up to me; up to the racing authority.If one thinks otherwise one is surely satisfying their need for a simpler time, a more childlike community of racehorse handlers.Racing is dying in the US from drugs ,steroids and the need to win at all costs.The horses are slowly returning to quarterhorse physique and running over shorter distances.For starters read Talking Horses published by The Blood Horse.
Racing is dying in the US for the same reason that baseball, basketball, NASCAR, golf, and hockey are dying in the US; the NFL has completely monopolized spectator sports in this country. People are now gambling more on football than on any other sport. Football, both professional and college, gets all the primetime network TV spots, the vast majority of sports magazine/newspaper/website coverage, and more companies are funneling their money to the league. Of course the other issues in American racing aren’t helping, but even a squeaky-clean sport would still be in decline.
May 23, 2013 at 08:19 #440452Are racetracks closing, meetings diminishing and purses remaining constant Miss W?
Or do you have the somewhat head-in-the-sand scenario to the UK with both racetracks and meetings remaining more or less constant with purses dropping?
May 23, 2013 at 13:54 #440474Another problem is the land is required for building developments.This is the final year racing at Hollywood Park.No city will help where the sport is drug filled.If racing was drug free it might survive but just like baseball the fans are drifting away from a drug filled environment.Talk about killing the goose…….We either get rid of the drugs or doom racing to the sports ghetto of drugs and gambling and lose the next generation of fans.Those fans can race at home on their computer
May 23, 2013 at 14:08 #440477We either get rid of the drugs or doom racing to the sports ghetto of drugs and gambling and lose the next generation of fans.Those fans can race at home on their computer
We have already lost the next generation because they still think racing is the draw. Racing for the largest part is as dull as ditchwater which is why it can’t survive without subsidy.
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