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As the kid said "the king has no clothes on" The Shaikh said to run him;he is always right…according to Zarooni.Who said what, and when? If I were the Shaikh I would dread that man on the witness stand.
As the kid said "the king has no clothes on" The Shaikh said to run him;he is always right…according to Zarooni.Who said what, and when? If I were the Shaikh I would dread that man on the witness stand.
I think you’ll find "the Sheikh is always right" is pretty much the default position of everyone in Dubai, whether in racing matters or anything else.
Mike
I can’t see Camelot being awarded the race as Enckes was tested before and after the St Leger and those results was negative.
Whatever happened afterwards, on that day at Doncaster, he won on merit.
A mess !!! your kidding surely
Its a sorry state right now , and will continue to get worse , roll on the sungate actions then the fun will seriously entwine !!!
Looks like a lot of folks have backed themselves into a corner , no getting away from it , British racing is going to be poorer as a result , surely a question of time before SM walks away , this whole affair does not make his organisation look pretty for sure
Talk about worst case scenario !!!!!
in my opinion
Ricky
Rubbish EGS – this is what Simon Crisford said in the aftermath of the win…
“Mickael Barzalona has given the horse a superb ride and put the race to bed when he kicked on at the two-furlong pole. There was a question about Encke’s stamina, but in the end he has stayed it well.
“Encke has a fantastic pedigree and is a horse that has always been forward.
“We put a line through his last run in the Voltigeur which was a false run race.
endAll too easy to look at the race with hindsight.
On the other hand here is what Zarooni had to say. You might like the last sentence of the first paragraph…
“We have been trying to win this Classic. Two years ago we ran Rewilding and last year we ran Blue Bunting who were both favourites. Today we have won it with an outsider. Racing can be a funny game.
“It was a brilliant ride from Mickael which I think is a sixth St Leger win for Godolphin and His Highness (Sheikh Mohammed).
“To be honest, it was His Highness’ decision to run here today. I disagreed and thought we should not. He was right. His Highness and I always disagree but His Highness is always right.
They were obviously handed their pre-written quotes the wrong way around!
I can’t see Camelot being awarded the race as Enckes was tested before and after the St Leger and those results was negative.
Whatever happened afterwards, on that day at Doncaster, he won on merit.
Steroids were used to allow athletes to train harder and build up muscle bulk, not for the day of performance. A negative drug test means very little, and the whole thing is mighty suspicious. It’s also not the kind of thing could be done by one guy in isolation. Ordering the drug, planning dosage schemes, administering it etc would have taken a significant amount of organising. How high it goes we don’t know, but must be pretty high.
Even if Camelot is awarded the race it will be a hollow Triple Crown.Seems like they have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.The Godolphin name has been soiled.There is no place to hide.On top of it all he had to settle for 51% of the new horse and leave it with Jim.When did he ever do that before? Next he will be going to the Monday Night Novena with Jim and the staff.This don’t look good.A little place in Lismore where royalty kick up their heels might serve usefully right now.He could attend the Dungarvan p2p.
Steroids were used to allow athletes to train harder and build up muscle bulk, not for the day of performance. A negative drug test means very little, and the whole thing is mighty suspicious..
This is the key point and one I tried to make on the original Al Zarooni thread
The metabolic clearance rates of the steroids in question is rapid, the half-life being around one day so only someone even more foolish than Al Zarooni would treat a horse with them during the short period in which tests could still identify them in the body
It’s the cumulative effects of medication with these drugs on body-build and performance over time that should be the concern, long after all traces of the drugs have been metabolised; which leads us neatly once again to Godolphin’s practice of wintering their horses in Dubai, a jurisdiction that allows the use of steroids…the silence has been deafening
It’s a subtle distinction but the steroids in question can be viewed as performance
enhancing
used over the longer term whereas something such as an amphetamine can be viewed as performance
boosting
used in the short term
So if you want to debate whether Encke should lose the Leger I suggest you should also debate whether all Godolphin’s horses, including those in the charge of Bin Suroor which were wintered in Dubai, should be stripped of their races; that is, of course, if you believe that drug treatment illegal here was administered there…
…I couldn’t possibly comment as I don’t know
This is really sad news. I feel a bit cheated of a fair chance at the Triple Crown. Coolmore must be livid and understandably so.
There has to be a question mark over all their winners now. There will be no way of proving the truth,unless someone comes forward with a confession.
Someone who works in racing wrote on another forum about a horse from Godolphin purchased at a sale, that looked suspiciously as if it had been conditioned with steroids.
Maybe they condition them from the yearling stage, do they send them to Dubai as yearlings?
It is sad as suspicions have been raised & something tangible is required for them to go away.Steroids were used to allow athletes to train harder and build up muscle bulk, not for the day of performance. A negative drug test means very little, and the whole thing is mighty suspicious..
This is the key point and one I tried to make on the original Al Zarooni thread
The metabolic clearance rates of the steroids in question is rapid, the half-life being around one day so only someone even more foolish than Al Zarooni would treat a horse with them during the short period in which tests could still identify them in the body
It’s the cumulative effects of medication with these drugs on body-build and performance over time that should be the concern, long after all traces of the drugs have been metabolised; which leads us neatly once again to Godolphin’s practice of wintering their horses in Dubai, a jurisdiction that allows the use of steroids…the silence has been deafening
It’s a subtle distinction but the steroids in question can be viewed as performance
enhancing
used over the longer term whereas something such as an amphetamine can be viewed as performance
boosting
used in the short term
So if you want to debate whether Encke should lose the Leger I suggest you should also debate whether all Godolphin’s horses, including those in the charge of Bin Suroor which were wintered in Dubai, should be stripped of their races; that is, of course, if you believe that drug treatment illegal here was administered there…
…I couldn’t possibly comment as I don’t know
Certify certainly over-wintered in Britain and administered the drugs here Drone. May be we should ask all countries to change their rules (and for adequate testing) and if they do not do so within a time frame – ban all horses coming from that country.
Value Is Everything…However, there is a loophole that needs to be addressed in Britain first.
We need to follow the French example and ban these substances from the day a horse is registered, in whatever establishment the horse resides.
As I understand it… Even British horses over-wintered outside a trainer’s grounds can have steroids which will be untraceable when going back in to training. Most trainers won’t know what is given to a horse outside their premises. One or two trainers may send a horse to a neihbours field knowing what is going on.
Value Is EverythingThere’s a picture of Encke crossing the line first at Doncaster, in today’s Telegraph.
The picture is very telling as for even a layman like me I can see he’s very bulky in front- noticeably more so than those in behind, like Camelot for example.
He’s so bulky in fact he looks more like a Quarterhorse than a staying type
I can only agree with what Admiralofthefleet has said. I thought it was a real sporting gesture of Coolmore to go for the triple crown.
Would not surprise me if the Shaikh closed down and redistributed his horses to trainers in England.That way he would only be responsible for their training fees.Also he would get acquainted with the horse people of the British isles and not be dependent on Lords and Ladies and the Muslim population to train his horses.It is good for him to be sharing horses with many trainers, that way success and failure is equally distributed.One cannot be 100% running a country and training horses at the same time.Also he must know by now that shipping them all to Dubai has the appearance of shadiness now that the drug scandal has expanded.Finally I don’t think he realized how much the racing public in England worshiped Frankie D.
Never thought I would see the day that contributors to this site would be expressing sympathy with Coolmore,for their sporting attitude to the Triple Crown and for racing drug free against Godolphin.The Sheikh should publicly hand over the St.Leger trophy to John Magnier as a sporting gesture and an act of reconciliation between the two superpowers.
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