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Write off Raven’s Pass at your peril I think..
His price of 9/1 seems big to me. Why’s he bigger than Henrythenavigator when he’s just beaten him (in what was a prep. for this), and has had a lighter campaign than him?
I’d say that the fact HTN was talked about for the Derby earlier in the season whereas Ravens Pass seemed better at shorter than a mile is the only contributing factor to that.
I’d love for Henry to do this and bow out – he’s been a great horse for me to follow this year.
Write off Raven’s Pass at your peril I think..
Agreed, Aragorn.
I think he could prove our best chance. He’s had a far from easy season, but his victory over Henry last time showed us that he’s in good form and I think he will be perfectly suited by the conditions of the Classic and Santa Anita.
I think the more familiar hold-up tactics will be reapplied, taking into consideration the trip and the conditions of the race. In many Breeders Cup races, you often see horses travel well, get outpaced, before coming with a late, surging run down the straight.
This has happened to RP a few times over a mile this season and if he can transfer that style of running to the pro-ride surface (which should suit) over ten furlongs, he’ll be in with a huge shout.
I think he’ll stay. John Gosden is a shrewd guy and it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s had this race on the agenda for a long time.
Don’t give either of them much of a chance. Giants Causeway, Galileo, Sakhee, Hawk Wing, George W, the list of our best turf horses unable to get it done in the BC Classic grows and grows.
It seems Coolmore are desperate to win a Classic – would it make such a difference to win a Classic over say a Turf or a Mile? I suppose it must do, or they wouldn’t bother.
Completely irrelevant as it is on a different surface this time around and therefore a totally different race.
Don’t give either of them much of a chance. Giants Causeway, Galileo, Sakhee, Hawk Wing, George W, the list of our best turf horses unable to get it done in the BC Classic grows and grows.
It seems Coolmore are desperate to win a Classic – would it make such a difference to win a Classic over say a Turf or a Mile? I suppose it must do, or they wouldn’t bother.
Completely irrelevant as it is on a different surface this time around and therefore a totally different race.
Don’t give either of them much of a chance. Giants Causeway, Galileo, Sakhee, Hawk Wing, George W, the list of our best turf horses unable to get it done in the BC Classic grows and grows.
It seems Coolmore are desperate to win a Classic – would it make such a difference to win a Classic over say a Turf or a Mile? I suppose it must do, or they wouldn’t bother.
Completely irrelevant as it is on a different surface this time around and therefore a totally different race.
This will not be a penalty kick for Curlin, he has shown his form on turf to be much inferior to his dirt form and with this surface being in favour of turf horses it will not be easy. A deserved favourite but far from a certain out come.
"This new surface being in favour of turf horses". Do you mean relatively compared to dirt, or generally its more similar to turf than dirt?
If the latter is correct why is Curlin so short?
I think there has to be a huge doubt about Raven’s at 10f. Remember back to the Guineas (I do, I backed him!) when we were worried if he’d get the mile- now we want to back him against crack opposition over 10f? Not for me.
Write off Raven’s Pass at your peril I think..
off Raven’s Pass at your peril I think..
Okay, done that. What now?
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Write off Raven’s Pass at your peril I think..
off Raven’s Pass at your peril I think..
Okay, done that. What now?
Figure out why DOM is a massive 5 points longer with Ladbrokes than HTN, even though the former is J Murtagh’s choice and proven at the distance, while most other firms have them priced more or less equally?
Don’t give either of them much of a chance. Giants Causeway, Galileo, Sakhee, Hawk Wing, George W, the list of our best turf horses unable to get it done in the BC Classic grows and grows.
It seems Coolmore are desperate to win a Classic – would it make such a difference to win a Classic over say a Turf or a Mile? I suppose it must do, or they wouldn’t bother.
Completely irrelevant as it is on a different surface this time around and therefore a totally different race.
Ding ding ding ding!
This will be the most frustrating Breeders’ Cup for a punter. Some top class horses will absolutely flop without excuse and you can only turn to one reason: the Pro-Ride!
Write off Raven’s Pass at your peril I think..
off Raven’s Pass at your peril I think..
Okay, done that. What now?
Figure out why DOM is a massive 5 points longer with Ladbrokes than HTN, even though the former is J Murtagh’s choice and proven at the distance, while most other firms have them priced more or less equally?
Because the Ladbrokes traders are doing their famous "industry shuffle".
Can any of our American friends tell us how long ago Curlin put up his best performances? Surely he has not needed to run to form recently to win in workmanlike fashion. So is he as good now as he was? With question marks on the surface too, he’s opposable at those odds.
Why did Duke Of Marmalade run so poorly in the Arc? Do Ladbrokes know?
A top form Duke would be interesting but is he over the top?Raven’s and Henry have stamina issues but that is reflected in their price. From memory I think they both have good dirt strides.
Great pics Badactor, have you seen any of the European horses yet? I am particularly interested in their coats. Are any woolly?
Mark
Value Is EverythingWrite off Raven’s Pass at your peril I think..
off Raven’s Pass at your peril I think..
Okay, done that. What now?
Figure out why DOM is a massive 5 points longer with Ladbrokes than HTN, even though the former is J Murtagh’s choice and proven at the distance, while most other firms have them priced more or less equally?
Because the Ladbrokes traders are doing their famous "industry shuffle".
What’s Ladbrokes famous industry shuffle?
FWIW, I’ll be having a bit of their 12/1 the Duke- he may well be over the top but at that price I’ll risk it.
BTW does anyone know the standard time for 10f on the SA Pro-Ride? Would be interesting to compare with 10f at York or Ascot on the turf…..I’m going to guess that it’s going top price the real Ballydoyle fancy to let the lads get on- am I warm?
Write off Raven’s Pass at your peril I think..
off Raven’s Pass at your peril I think..
Okay, done that. What now?
Figure out why DOM is a massive 5 points longer with Ladbrokes than HTN, even though the former is J Murtagh’s choice and proven at the distance, while most other firms have them priced more or less equally?
Because the Ladbrokes traders are doing their famous "industry shuffle".
What’s Ladbrokes famous industry shuffle?
FWIW, I’ll be having a bit of their 12/1 the Duke- he may well be over the top but at that price I’ll risk it.
BTW does anyone know the standard time for 10f on the SA Pro-Ride? Would be interesting to compare with 10f at York or Ascot on the turf…..Dj, very funny….
Bit like the Kansas City Shuffle.. If anyone has watched Lucky Number Slevin they will know what that is..
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