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"blackfingernail" wrote: i very much doubt if JP McManus would let him off the 9/2 second favourite in favour of the 5/2 fav. and with katchit likely to run thornton’s going to be on that one, so AP’s going to be needed on karaback.
doh!, stupid me…
, forgot JP owned KarabakI would love to be able to bet Time For Rupert in this but think the ground has went against him now.
Reckon Katchit will win 11/2 aint a bad price.
Seriously dissapointed Sentry Duty isn’t running, he would have made them all go imo
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Don’t know which Tony McCoy would ride if he had the choice between Zaynar and Karabak but pretty sure he’d ride Karabak in prefererence to Katchit if he could chose.
I can’t see Alan King giving Katchit a hard race first time out like he did last season and I expect he’ll be having a quiet one.
Most of Nicky Henderson’s fancied horses have won or gone very close lately. I would expect a big run from Zaynar but he’s not a horse who I would expect to win a race like this on the bridle.
Nicky usually leaves a bit to work on with his better horses at this stage of the season. It’s a big prize but he could be just run out of it by Karabak who I think will strip very fit and hope is Alan Kings main hope for this. Added to that Karabak is 100% certain to get the trip and will ensure Zaynar’s fitness will be tested to the full.
Lough Derg wouldn’t be ready for this, Elusive Dream can’t possibly win but Straw Bear could run better than expected when he sees he doesn’t have to jump anything he can’t see over
Karabak for me.
Oh, I hope this isn’t the day that Straw Bear decides to win; I’ve lost so much money on that horse when there is a description of ‘soft’ in the going….
Think Katchit may just have everything perfect tomorrow if he’s playing ball. Think if King doesn’t have him perfect he’s missing a great opportunity to get a win on the boards.
Think I will also have a go on Red Moloney, I think he was foiled by being to close to a furious pace at cheltenham last year on similar ground to what he’ll be getting tomorrow. I imagine many wont want to gives theirs a hard race and if they dont go off too fast he could be very dangerous at 25-1.
Think I will also have a go on Red Moloney, I think he was foiled by being to close to a furious pace at cheltenham last year on similar ground to what he’ll be getting tomorrow. I imagine many wont want to gives theirs a hard race and if they dont go off too fast he could be very dangerous at 25-1.
J Howard Johson has a pretty poor record at Ascot, I wouldn’t be parting with any of my cash on his runners. Red Moloney was less than straight forward last time out as well….
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If he’s straight,
Karabak
is going to take a world of beating. His defeat of Kangaroo Court and Somersby at Ascot was incredibly impressive and had Tony McCoy ridden a better race in the Ballymore, he could have given Mikael D’Haguenet something to think about.
Red Moloney
remains interesting (he really did look like a proper racehorse at Musselburgh last season, albeit in weak races) and might be worth a small interest at a big price.
I like Karabak E/W, but now the 5’s has gone I think you’d probably have to do a win bet…maybe it will drift to 4’s.
I’ve got a feeling Zaynar may turn out to be a horse that needs a very fast 2 miles, rather than a longer trip.
Karabak was so impressive at Aintree and he would be my pick if I could get at least 7/2 4/1 on him. (Oh, and I wasn’t skint and working on Sat arvo).
Zip
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Alan King said something along these lines "I made a big mistake giving Katchit a hard race aganst Chmomba Womba first time out last season"
I wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole today
Katchit had his first run last season against Snap Tie at Kempton three weeks before he took on Chomba Womba at Wincanton.
I reckon the key issue for Katchit backers is the trip, as there seems to me to be very little evidence that he’s better at more tham 2M, and as he was a 10F horse on the flat, that’s not surprising.
AP
Katchit had his first run last season against Snap Tie at Kempton three weeks before he took on Chomba Womba at Wincanton.
I reckon the key issue for Katchit backers is the trip, as there seems to me to be very little evidence that he’s better at more tham 2M, and as he was a 10F horse on the flat, that’s not surprising.
AP
I know exactly what you mean AP, and usually this is exactly what I would think also. I am also not in the camp that believes Katchit is a stayer and wants to go up in trip.
However, if the ground is the same today as it was yesterday at ascot then it is not very testing at all. And ascot is not a very testing track anyway. So, therefore I think this race will all revolve around pace, and where the pace comes from.
IMO (and many will disagree, as did at the time) the ground on the day of the champ hurdle was pretty similar to todays but the pace was furious in that race and Katchit did finish sixth that day. I dont think todays race will be as hard as that one was.
Basically IMO todays race will tell us just how good Zaynar really is, but I dont fancy taking a favorites price on what is effectively a test for him.
With the ground not being too testing, the issue is really pace, and I’ll take a chance that the speedier ones wont be run out of this, so its Katchit and Red Moloney, as IMO that is where the value is.
IMO this race is priced up on the assumption that there will be plenty of pace, which I am not fully convinced of.
I think thats all refelected in his price though ben.
That’s fair enough Bulwark.
He is a talented beast but not entirely straight forward.
I’d side with Karabak. His foot action in the Rosling King was impressive. I think there might be similar ground at Ascot today. If that’s the case then he should really take to this race and travel confidently. Katchit is well treated in the weights considering he’s more battle hardened and comes in off a higher rating. Zaynar looks as if this distance is right up his alley, and like Karabak has plenty of scope for improvement. The extra years experience for Karabak over Zaynar will come in handy. I have a feeling Karabak is more ready for this assignment, and Zaynars will come on for the run.
, forgot JP owned Karabak
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