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  • #274017
    Duke Of Marmalade
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    Stats and trends are pretty much irrelevant, the best horses will always defy them.

    #274026
    Avatar photoZarkava
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    Yes, of course they will, but only the special ones. And would you rather back 10 perceived ‘special things’ hoping for the exception or 10 trends horses backing 5 or 6 winners?

    #274033
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    I’ve heard that the Powers Gold Cup is under consideration for Zaarito. His target will be dependent on how he runs at Leopardstown on Sunday week.

    More or less confirmed by Colm today:

    "He’s not in the RSA Chase at Cheltenham, he’s only in the Arkle, but looking at the runners there it’s most unlikely he’ll go there.

    "He’ll probably stay at home and go to the Powers Gold Cup at Fairyhouse."

    Not in the Arkle entries.

    #274078
    Duke Of Marmalade
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    Yes, of course they will, but only the special ones. And would you rather back 10 perceived ‘special things’ hoping for the exception or 10 trends horses backing 5 or 6 winners?

    No I’d rather consider each horse on it’s own merit rather than discounting certain horses for no reason directly attributable to themselves :wink:

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    Well again that’s fair enough, but I think people are far too dismissive of stats and trends. I only believe in those that can be explained and reasoned, hence I can’t stand all those shocking betting trends.

    Last year’s Festival was really the first time I’ve used trends and only trends to look for the winner and I ended up with ForPadyDePlasterer (profit for the entire Festival no matter what by Race 2), Mikael D’Haguenet, Cooldine and Big Buck’s, and bearing in mind I only looked at about 8 races I think that’s very good going. Was also able to learn a thing or two about other races and I’m only going to be looking at 7 races this year again. Supreme, Arkle, Champion Hurdle, Neptune, R&SA, Ryanair Chase and the World Hurdle (unlikely to have a bet but just on the off-chance).

    But each to their own :)

    #274112
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    The Coral Cup and the race won by Kayf Aramis were also monster trends results at the festival, if this helps :wink:

    #274122
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    Yeah I backed Kayf Aramis right before the off since there was a fair bit of money for him. I backed Synchronised since he was the trends horse and it seems to be the only time he’s not won in his last 7 or 8 starts.

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    Big day for Captain Cee Bee tomorrow at Naas. Hopefully he’ll put in a clear round to set himself up for Cheltenham.

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    Avatar photoCheltenhamSpecialist
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    I’m not convinced that Fosters Cross is going to be a pushover. I certainly wouldn’t want to be taking any silly prices about Captain Cee Bee

    #274171
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    Mark Walsh is on board…….that should warm of everybody

    #274180
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    Wallace…Good advice I’d say, I’ve just checked his last 5 years stats, 4% strike rate over hurdles, 6% over Fences…that’s SHOCKING!!!

    #274181
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    Yup cant believe he is back on board. Incredible. Andrew Mc should be on him

    #274202
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    Mark Walsh gave Captain Cee Bee a superb ride the last day up to the last. A fall can happen anyone.

    #274204
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    Yeah nothing wrong with that ride.

    Its just that generally he is useless

    #274210
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    I’m not sure it was a such good ride (Capt CB) It’s never a good idea, in my opinion, to give a solid jumper like Sizing Europe half a stride of a lead when he’s going full tilt at the last, especially on the less experienced novice who is always liable to try to take off at the same time as the leader with the inevitable result, a mistake of a fall.

    I like to see my novices right alongside the leader or a length or so down at the last rather than helf a length or thereabouts

    Pandorama / Cousin Vinny comes to mind but there are lots of similar examples

    #274214
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    Has he had many chances on decent horses though??

    #274303
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    Normally that would be a valid point CS but Walsh took the precaution of puting some width between the two to allow Captain Cee Bee to more or less jump it on his own.

    Earlier in the race when Sizing Europe made a blunder his jockey was the one to panic if any. He rushed Sizing Europe back up behind Osana while Walsh remained calm and was content to give them both a 6 or 7 length lead.

    Personally I make Captain Cee Bee the banker of the meeting. Not only did he make up 6 lengths deficit when he got to them Mark switched him off again going to the last. Make no mistake he had a ton of horse underneath him and not only would he have beaten Sizing Europe he would have beaten him by 2 or 3 lengths.

    When I watched him win first time out I thought he looked awful. He never travelled well at any point at least not like he can. He jumped ok but his overall performance was not that of a high class animal.

    The improvement he showed in his latest race was astounding IMO he travelled like a dream, showed brilliant acceleration and picked up the leader with ease.

    This horse will improve again and is simply different class to anything else in the race. There is no way on this earth will Sizing Europe or anything else live with him up the Cheltenham Hill.

    The engraver at Cheltenham race course can do two trophies at once to save time :wink: The 2010 Arkle and the 2011 QMCC.

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