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I’ve no problem with deporting the illegal workers it’s more the treatment of the owner of the restaurant that irks me. Given in most circumstances it’s the owner who’s brought them over to work anyway and it was a repeat offence surely some real hefty fines should apply.
Dave Jay made my point for me in his post too
Irish, it is surely the legal migrants from the EU – rather than illegal immigrants from elsewhere – who have had the biggest impact on “British” jobs, is it not?
Just ask my pal, lollys mate.
The legal immigrants aren’t something we can do about given we’re signed up to various freedom of movement treaties.
If people are really bothered about immigration then we’ll stop the Aussies, South Africans, Kiwi’s, Americans etc. coming in though I suspect with many anti-immigration protestors that isn’t what they would want.
I think we should invite anyone who wants to come here with open arms.
If it means so much to people to move away from there home land, then why should we stop them.
See! My therapist said I could do it!
We should let ALL of the people in the Gaza strip and let them settle around London.
Fact immagrants do jobs our own will not for the wages offered or lack the skills too do the job IE nursing etc.
The Americans deported allot of Mexicans during the drepression and foudn that few americans would work for the money and in the conditions.
Fact immagrants do jobs our own will not for the wages offered or lack the skills too do the job IE nursing etc.
The Americans deported allot of Mexicans during the drepression and foudn that few americans would work for the money and in the conditions.
.. I disagree with all of that, did you make it up yourself or is it someone’s drivel?
Article by Andrew Neather (former Downing Street adviser and speech writer) in The London Evening Standard 23/10/09
Link:-..the deliberate policy of ministers from late 2000 until at least February last year, when the Government introduced a points-based system, was to open up the UK to mass migration….
…there was a reluctance elsewhere in government to discuss what increased immigration would mean, above all for Labour’s core white working-class vote.
But the earlier drafts I saw also included a driving political purpose: that mass immigration was the way that the Government was going to make the UK truly multicultural.I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended – even if this wasn’t its main purpose – to rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date.
…Part by accident, part by design, the Government had created its longed-for immigration boom.
But ministers wouldn’t talk about it. In part they probably realised the conservatism of their core voters: while ministers might have been passionately in favour of a more diverse society, it wasn’t necessarily a debate they wanted to have in working men’s clubs in Sheffield or Sunderland.It’s only fair to point out that the author is in favour of New Labour’s immigration “policy” – even if unhappy or ashamed at some of the motives behind it. Read the full article, he makes a reasonable case (at least for Londoners).
With politicians like these (and I’m quite prepared to accept that the Conservatives and LibDems would be just as underhand), is it any wonder that so many (particularly from core-Labour voters), turn to the BNP?
What with this and the promise of a referendum on the EU constitution, why bother with a manifesto? New Labour just do what they want, don’t let the people have a say ‘cos they’re not as clever as Messrs Brown, Blair, Hain, Straw, Harman, Blears, Jacqui Smith, Blunkett, Reid, Millibands, Prescott etc.
Crikey – let the people know too much and they might even dare to criticise MPs expenses!just putting a slightly different slant on this one.
The ironic thing is Brits are amongst the worse at integrating when in other lands, yet we are the first to complain when immigrants here do not integrate – if there was a world championships in hypocrisy then Brits would win it hands down.
You only need to look back at the history of the Empire to see how we tried to impose our standards and beliefs across the globe – yet we shout the loudest when other cultures try and suggest we should follow their ways.
Even now we ghettoise and stick together when abroad.
For our honeymoon we stayed in a friends house in a beautiful village in the Dordogne, an idyllic setting in a typical rural hamlet.
In the home they had a visitors guide which they had left for people staying there. Top of the recommendations was this “fantastic” restaurant / bar with an “unbeatable” atmosphere. The only downside is it was about a 90 minute drive to get there.
Anyway we decide to give it a go and set off. We found the place and it looked OK from the outside. We took one step through the door, stopped and stared for about thirty seconds and then promptly turned round and walked out. This “fantastic restaurant / bar” was a re-creation of a British pub and was full of Brits. I could not believe it – not only that I was really angry having wasted so much time and effort to visit the place.
What really angered me even more was in the hamlet where we were staying the local farmers wife had a small restaurant attached to the farm. It only sat six to eight – but it served the most wonderful local, home produces food, and it was obscenely priced – not expensively – she was seriously underselling her product. Yet there was no mention at all of this gem in the “guide” in the house.
It was the same with shopping the “recommended” supermarket was British owned.
The Dordogne is a beautiful area in its own right, the way of life is fantastic – yet these British settlers were doing their best to turn it into a Little Britain – it is small wonder locals resented the “invasion”.
Nobody’s saying ALL white, working class voters have deserted Labour for the BNP, only that the BNP’s rump support comes from this section. (BTW great article in the Sunday Telegraph by James Forsyth today on the "rise" of the BNP vote and how to stop them in their tracks).
Whatever ones view on the BNP / Immigration, to me, the shocking thing about the admission by the Labour adviser was that such a policy was decided WITHOUT letting the people know that it was policy; issues like this should be in a manifesto.Paul, just to get this clear:
What you’re saying is that incomers to France should adopt French language/ cuisine/ outlook/ ways of doing things generally ?
And presumably similarly for incomers to GB or any other country?
You would be opposed for eaxmple to the voluntary "parallel lives" that Gurharpal Singh found a feature of the Indian community in Leicester as recorded in his UNESCO report ?:
http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0013/0 … df#page=79
Hence you would criticise non-integrationists whoever and wherever they may be?
Multiculturalism by choice (as in the Dordogne case) is as bad as multiculturalism by force of economic circumstances / fear ?
Just interested to understand what you’re saying / being applauded for.
Incidentally, the Singh report link above would seem to blow away any notion that what Labour has done on immigration is not deliberate and not of long term calculation.
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wit
I don’t see how Paul’s post is spot on or relevant to the title of this thread
So what if some brits produced their own little british community in The Dordogne. Why the surprise Brits have done this in california and India and other areas of the world in the same way that many other immigrants do when they settle in another country. Is there anything really wrong in this?China actually realised that this often happens and built special areas in their large cities which were copies of british and american style city homes etc so that the brits and americans would feel at home when they moved there following the ‘ westernisation of China ‘
The USA is full of city areas which are replicas of other countries and immigrants partly do this due to fears of racist attacks ( safety in numbers etc ). However many brits settle in other countries and respect the culture and laws of their adopted nation and I disagree that Brits are amongst the worse at integrating when in other lands…….the Irish are much worse ( only joking
).Is integration by the immigrants in this country the real issue ? I do not believe it is. I think that a lot of this countries immigrants have mixed well.
It’s the growing population partly caused by the immigration policy of this Govt and the problems that it is causing which has caused a lot of resentment. Unfortunately some of this resentment has been targeted at the immigrants which is very unfair.A decade ago, I knew nobody who was against immigration and recognised the benefits it produced and thought that it made this country a more interesting place to live in.
Now I know many people who are very concerned about immigration and the blame lies totally with our useless Govt who have caused this problem which is making the country a worse place to live in.
The fact that the New Labour immigration policy was kept from the public only makes things worse and will cause more resentment. New labour have made racism a big problem in the UK when it previously was not one before they came into power.
What you’re saying is that incomers to France should adopt French language/ cuisine/ outlook/ ways of doing things generally ?
What I am saying is they should attempt to integrate as much as possible.
If you want the British way of life stay in Britain.
If you don’t want to live the French way of life then why the hell bother moving there or setting up home there in the first place?
It does not mean totally cutting off traditions but it is incumbent on the “incomer” to try to adapt to the local way of life.
In doing so “traditions” will pass from community to community and that is how cultures spread and mix and how multiculturalism comes about.
It does not come about by ghettoiseation, it comes with communities mixing.
And presumably similarly for incomers to GB or any other country?
yes … see above.
Hence you would criticise non-integrationists whoever and wherever they may be?
Yes
I don’t see how Paul’s post is spot on or relevant to the title of this thread
I did actually say I was putting a new slant on the original posting
So what if some brits produced their own little british community in The Dordogne. Why the surprise
Brits have done this in california and India and other areas of the world in the same way that many other immigrants do when they settle in another country. Is there anything really wrong in this?The fact it has also been done elsewhere does not make it right and I believe it is absolutely wrong – yes.
When I have lived in, stayed in or visited another country (even on holiday) I have always made every attempt to integrate to their way of life, their way of doing things and, where possible use their language.
If nothing else it is common courtesy.
China actually realised that this often happens and built special areas in their large cities which were copies of british and american style city homes etc so that the brits and americans would feel at home when they moved there following the ‘ westernisation of China ‘
No China did it to keep Westerners apart from the locals to stop Western habits infiltrating the local way of life.
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